Look, I didn’t invent the eternal screaming misery; no one spoke more about hell than Jesus Himself. And no, I don’t like to think of ANYONE going that route. Not even you.

“Now which one of us is deluded?”

Stiil you. Sorry.

You are a treasure, madam. Many thanks for these illuminating posts.

DW,

Essentially, what you have missed is the spiritual unity the gospel fosters between all men, and the physical diversity that is yet enjoined upon all men, for their own good, and the greater Glory of God. Both are true. Both are taught in Scripture. Both reflect the trinity and unity of our Holy God.

Having said that, do men, even christian men, often fail in the ‘living out’ of their faith with fear and trembling? Absolutely. And yet that isn’t God’s fault, nor does it make His Word deficient. But the word does transform us as we submit ourselves to it’s teachings. I am now convinced by the Word, that blood is thicker then water, and I must prefer ‘my own’ as an article of my faith. Consequently, I just purchased products from my sister-in-law, who is a christian and a near relative, instead of buying the same products from my former pastor, who is a christian though not a near relative. It’s costing me a little more; but this small detail is only God’s way of testing our resolve. Do we believe or not? Then who cares about dead Presidents printed on green pieces of paper, obey your Lord! This is a small thing I admit, but many small things together produce a consistent life-style. We are told in the scriptures not to despise the day of small beginnings. As a movement, kinism is very small–but it is already making waves within the church and is creating dialog with kin outside the church.

I admit the church universal has fostered kinship selectively, mostly for black, brown and yellow races but not whites. In addition whites have often been their own worst enemy, in blaming the church for a lack of unity and inter-white-tribal cooperation and respect. Other races do not abandon their preferences for their own when they convert to Christ. Yet, overwhelmingly, we do. This radical egalitarian spirit that has afflicted our own does not come from the Scriptures, but from enlightenment thinking run amok.

CD,

Thank you for the grammar lesson. All I can say is, you better be right, for if you are, I will return to the ground from which I came and that will be the end of me. I will lose nothing but the fleeting pleasures of sin if you’re right.. but you will spend eternity in screaming misery if I’m right. Now which one of us is deluded?

Do not lose sight of the fact that the Blacks have been fitted up as ‘The Foot’ against White America. The heinous race / hate crimes that they commit against White Americans are acts of race provocation and war under priviledged media blackout.

The Whites need to come up with some good strategies to play the ‘race card’ on the racially supremacist Judiac Power and divide the Blacks from their power / support base in Jewry.

In my experience, the Blacks can make very fine Christians interested in cultivating their own people – starting with baptismal regeneration. Christians – of whatever race – as a rule are very interested in cultivating their own ethnos and culture. This ‘sense of the faith’ leads us to seek the elevation and enhancement of ‘our own’ in Christ. And congregations want to assist each other to do this in the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.

It should not be lost on us that the greatest among the Christian saints desired and cultivated the simplicity of a ‘lillies of the field’ way of the life that is the portion of souls, nations, races that are not particularly gifted intellectually and technically.

Both the Aryans and the Jews have these gifts in spades, but it is not intellect or technical ability that will decide this conflict which at base Spiritual and racial. The conflict between Jacob and Esau is still being played out here.

“For they are not all Israel who are of Israel” Ro 9:6 And just as true Israel which recognized and crowned Israel’s Messiah in fulfillment of the Abrahamic, Israelite, Mosaic and Davidic Covenants – gathered Gentile nations into New Covenant, so false Israel which rejected the Messiah was gathered into Esau, Jewry together with all nations that oppose the Messiah and New Covenant.

In short, the latter oppose the universal Kingship of our Lord.

This is a universal conflict. And at present most of the White race is on the side of the ideolatries like social Darwinism created by Jewry for the apostasy and demoralization of the European nations. They may well take the race bait and play the hand dealt by Jewry in the interests of survival itself.

See the important interviews with Professor Kevin MacDonald on Real Zionist News

“Why Jews Support Black Causes” http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=472
“Jewry’s Creation of ‘White Guilt’ Interview with Professor Kevin MacDonald”
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=468.

Matt 15:21-28 poses problems—Yes, I agree that when Jesus says I only am for the house of israel, it shows that there is a priority for Kin over non- kin. That’s obvious. I believe HIS statement,–that he was sent ONLY for the Lost Israel sheep —- So therefore, the New Covenant IS NOT for anyone BUT The house of Israel. I alluded to this in an earlier post. The New covenant was only to Israel. No other group. Jesus says this in Matt 15. Well, then…… How come it is later preached to all the NATIONS–Jesus commands “all nations” in Matt 28:19 does he not? Does he contradict himself? I mean he had said “only to the LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL” why now to “ALL NATIONS”? let me tell u why—-

The “lost sheep Of the house of Israel’ that Jesus said he ONLY came for BECAME many NATIONS(not races). NATIONS. This was prophesied to occur –read gen 48:19-20 :”his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a multitude[d] of nations.” WHO BECAME A MULTITUDE OF NATIONS? WHO BECAME MANY NATIONS? or as the ESV bible has in a footnote on Gen 48:19 : Hebrew ‘fullness’—-meaning Fullness of Nations or Fullness of the gentiles(goyim)—Now did you ever hear that phrase mentioned before? …? Now turn to Romans 11:25 and you will find that phrase–fullness of the gentiles(multitude of gentiles) –

Let me repeat—Who was to become a multitude of nations? A ‘fullness of the gentiles”
Gen 48:19? —Now go to Hosea 8:8…..

THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL that Jesus came ONLY for, became MANY different Nations after they were exiled. They also had become blinded to their true identity after many years in exile—Jesus came to gather them back
—so when he told the diciples to go to the nations–why? Was it because he wanted to ‘save’ every Tom, Dick,and Harry? no no no –he only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.He said so. China not on the itinerary.

other issues: Denying what I just said above–and instead believing that the gospel is to go to every single person in the whole world of every race—-it is hard to mesh a passage like Acts 17:26, with all the other passages that emphasize that believers(whether kin or non kin), ie-those that ‘do the will of God” trump those that are relatives. I already gave the passage in an earlier post—Jesus says your true brothers and sisters are those that do the will of God–are those that are believers.He also talks about setting families apart–Jesus will bring division in families.

The christian church bears this out—it has divided the white race–people shun, fought and even killed each other over christian doctrine. it has not unified the race. It’s emphasis has always been–”what does that person, believe?” Kinship has not been it’s emphasis, ever. Is it any wonder it is not it’s emphasis now?

If most whites in the past believed in segregation between the races, was that because of christianity or in spite of it? Many Christians in the 1800′s were liberals on race, too.

But most importantly, Christians in the past two thousand years also believed in segregation between whites, if i may put it that way.(they would hate on each other)–divided up in sects–accusing each other of not being christians–of being of the devil–they would fight each other etc–The history of christianity shows it has divided the white race. That’s The big fact and the most inportant. Whether or not whites in the past didn’t want to hang around or marry pygmies or hotton-totts is really irrelevant. Why, the christians after so many hard centuries of missionary work has civilized these people-things have changed.

I think the main question we need to ask ourselves is this: If ‘christianity’ ‘The new testament’ are so empowering when it comes to alerting the West to the perils of multi-culturalism, then why are we so weak and ineffective as a result of relying on them?

Thank You all for your time.

A. you don’t know me from Jim Beam, so while I don’t claim any particular greatness, you have no idea of my virtues or shortcomings

B. it’s “than”, grammar-king

C. sinful pride’s got nothing to do with it; Christianity is preposterous and a malignant cancer that has brought our people to the very precipice of destruction. We’ve always fought each other, but under the old gods never filled with the blind hatred and devastating consequences as following the introduction of the new-fangled religion that spurred us on to inconceivable slaughter in the name of a godman who never even existed. We were never in danger of going extinct under Odin, Thor, Balder, etc. Continue to engage in self-deception if you’re unable to face the truth. Many aren’t. It’s no skin off my nose, just don’t expect me to participate in the madness. Been there, done that.

Constantly I am distracted from the holy liturgy by thoughts about ‘no wonder the new order wants to get rid of this’ as the traditional liturgy makes very clear in the text and the translation of the appointed scripture, psalms, the antiphons, the sermons from the Fathers and the Doctors – this distinction between Jews of Judea, the Israelites of the Covenants (who received Christ)and the Israelites who mixed with the Edomite conversos (Jews) who usurped the Chair of Moses and subverted the Israelite faith with Judaism / the Pharisaic traditions of the Elders.

For example Ps 71 – (which in the RSV is Ps 72) – one of the Psalms appointed for the Octave of Epiphany

Deus, judicum tuum..
Give to the King Thy judgement, O God and justice to the King’s Son.

Ps 71:13, 14 in the liturgy has “He shall spare the poor and needy, and he shall save the souls of the poor (14) He shall reem their souls from usuries and wickedness – Ex usuris et iniquitate.

None of the accepted new bibles like the Jerusalem translate even the Psalms with the precision that is set down in the Ordo.

In the centuries of its strength, the Church was a Christendom of European nations holding to one faith, one Lord, one baptism. Christian culture was highly differentiated and cultivated in Europe according to national way of life (even by parish) and yet the Church sent missionaries all over the world.

Even today, within the same nation – the Christian culture of Brittany is very distinct from the Christian culture of the Languedoc.

Even if every last white man, woman, child were to become convinced that their Aryan race, its nations and clans and cultures are a nonexistance – it would not be nonexistant to other races and their nations. To them we are a highly distinct and differentiated ethnicity. And among Christians they make some very funny jokes about us – stuff white people like, basically. They laugh at our noses, the way we sunburn, our courtships, our complexities, the realities we identify as problems.

This was very evident in the mission countries like Papua Nuigini under the Australian Protectorate.

In the highlands of the Owen Stanley Ranges along the famous Kokoda Track (of WW II), the identity was not so much race – the Papuan race – as between the Christian Clans / Villages and the Clans / Villages which held to the indigenous animism.

The Christian villages were Luthern, Catholic and Seventh Day Adventists. And the Christian Papuans kept very strictly to their village lifestyle and customs. As Christians, these clans turned their backs on the highland lifestyle revolving around: cannibalism, head-hunting, ancestral curses, feuds and witchcraft which was the power cult up there (as it is everywhere else).

Papuans regenerated in the waters of baptism were done with all that. But they never became European (or even remotely Aryan) in their customs or Christian Way. In the Lutheran villages they tended to go in for boar’s tusks (appropriately) and dim dims. In the Catholic villages they went in more for feathers and lap laps. Whereas the Seventh Day Adventist villages named their sons after angels. When you go up to the Kokoda Track there are many monuments to the Papuan regiments that helped the Australians fight the Japanese advance during WW II – all with their distinctive Clan crosses. On the Track, you always know the Seventh Day Adventist villages because of the prevalence of the Gabriels, Raphaels, Michaels on the monuments.

According to the Australian veterans of Kokoda, the Gabriels were the best on the howitzers by all accounts. There were entire ‘Gabriel’ contingents on the Kokoda campaign.

In the highlands you had Papuan Christian Clans / Villages that lived in fear of the pagans of their race. Yet they joined the citizen soldiers of the Aust 7th Division that engaged the Japanese Imperial army when Maj General Tomitaro Horii’s Nankai Shitai veterans of China, Guam and Rabaul invaded Papua Nuigini as a staging post for the assualt upon the Australian mainland. Ultimately it was the 7th Division relieved by the Australian 39th Btn that turned them back in the Kokoda campaign. Their success would not have been possible without the Christian villages of the Owen Stanley highlands.

Even though these people, as a race, were a stone age culture never even inventing the wheel – they mastered their fear of 20th century technology and enlisted with the Australians.

My grandfather told me that it was another world up there on the cloud forests of the Owen Stanley. He said it reminded him of (get this) Wales when his own Taid was young. Every village was – a choir. It was common to see the young Papuan Christians (aged 13 or 14 years) the scars of their tribal and clan initiations still fresh wearing their Clan crosses (and little else) helping to get the Australian artillery up the bush tracks of the range and singing in 10 part harmony. They humorously called the nonChristian Australians – ‘Cargoes’ – after the pagan cargo cults of the highlands. They laughed at the white complexities and ways, military protocols and technology. They did great imitations and take offs on the British officers, the Japanese bushido for the wounded enlisted men. They joked about the enlistees eating mouldy rations instead of sharing their claypot meals of fresh meat, fish, taro, yam, pumpkin and banana. They evacuated the Australian wounded by bush track under artillery bombardment and their skill with bush medicines saved many lives.

The Clan crosses of those highland villages – often given as farewell gifts – are among the most sacred Australian war memorabilia. I have a Orokaira Cross (from the Seventh Day Adventist village) on my family shrine, it hangs by a leather thong with a bird of paradise feather. Our local ambulance station has a small statue which was cast of the famous photograph of Raphael Oindari leading the blind Australian Digger.

On the back of the Orokaira Cross given to my grandfather is inscribed the lines from the old Protestant Sunday School Song: ‘This is my Father’s world. I rest me in the thought’

This comes from Ioribaiwa of Sept 1942 where the Australian retreat from Imita Ridge became an onslaught back over the Trail.

The Australian artillery was out of range of the Japanese emplacements overlooking the capitol of Port Moresby. The Royal Australian Sappers of the 2/6 Field Company had to get their artillery across the Goldie River and up to Ioribaiwa Ridge in front of the infantry and within range of the Japanese emplacements. And they had to evacuate the Australian wounded from the ridges. The Sappers had to build a flying fox and a stairway (later the Golden Stairway) up to the ridge. The Gabriels were not afraid of going up to the Ridge after the wounded under Japanese artillery fire, but they were mortally afraid of the crocodiles of the Goldie.

The Christian Officers told them. “The ridges around Moresby belong to the Japanese. The wounded belong to us. The crocodiles in the Goldie belong to the Lord. We will look after our wounded and the Lord will look after his crocodiles. Tomorrow we are going into the Goldie and we are going to bridge it.” Then they sang to the Gabriels the old Protestant Sunday School song: ‘This is my Father’s world’. And the Gabriels took it up and sang it to the men, even the Cargoes who didn’t believe a word of it but were going to follow their orders.

The rest is, as they say – history.

You were willing to learn, eh? I’m afraid any honest person reading this thread would have to come to the opposite conclusion. But here you go:

Compare: Romans 9:1-3 with Matt. 15:21-28. These will show what Jesus and Paul believed concerning the priority of kinship. Peter believed similarly, for he recieved a vision from God BEFORE he would take the gospel to gentiles. Acts 10.

‘Nation’ in the Bible equals ‘ethnic’ group, race, stock or blood-line. God divided up the peoples of the earth into many nations in Genesis 11. In Acts 2:1-11, Pentecost is recorded. In this extraordinary event, the Holy Spirit ennabled the Apostles to speak in the languages of the many nations represented in Jerusalem at that time. The significance is this: God honored the nations, by condescending to communicate in their own languages. God DID NOT reverse Babel at Pentecost, as many now teach. On the contrary, separate nations were established by God Himself, the 1st advent of Christ did not change that fact (Acts 17:26) and nations, plural, will be represented in heaven, Rev.21:24.

One more thing. Jesus was sent by His Father to ‘His own’, John 1:11. Compare this expression, ‘his own’ with what the Apostle Paul teaches Timothy in 1Timothy 5:8: ‘But if anyone does not provide for HIS OWN, and especially those of his household, he has DENIED THE FAITH, AND IS WORSE THEN AN UNBELIEVER.’ Let that sink in for a minute. Christians are explicitly taught in this verse to care for their blood kin. Who exactly are our own, if they’re not extended family, distant relatives by blood, our own ‘ethnos’ or nation? Paul is not being redundant here; he is not saying ‘take care of your immediate family, and especially the immediate family under your roof’. No. He is teaching the priority of nationhood, of belonging to a particular people. Moreover, if we don’t do this, we deny our faith and are worse then unbelievers! Why? Because even unbelievers, unrepentant as they are, care for THEIR own, that’s why.

Look, I don’t expect this to change you’re mind. But christians really did teach and believe this until the modern age, and the radical egalitarian teachings of Marx became a cancer within the church and within our civilization. But you asked for proof from the N.T. Here it is.

Chopper Dan,

Many greater men then you have crowed over the weakness and apparent impotence of the church universal. But His strength is ever perfected through human weakness, as church history shows over and over again. And the reason for this, that no man should boast and God recieve all the glory from the redemption He has wrought, will never be apparent to you until you abandon your sinful pride.