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		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/#comment-17925</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 19:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, Kevin. I know you were closer to him than probably anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, Kevin. I know you were closer to him than probably anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Alfred Strom</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/#comment-17924</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Alfred Strom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 May 2011 19:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William Pierce&#039;s children didn&#039;t reject him, as far I could see. He received and made visits with them while I knew him (1982 to his death in 2002). He proudly showed me a photograph of him hang-gliding with his son. One of his children spoke at his memorial service.

William Pierce knew he had paid a price -- part of which was the greater time he could have spent with his children -- to take the hard path he chose to follow. But he clearly loved them, and was deeply moved when he told me this. I believe they loved him too.


Kevin Alfred Strom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William Pierce&#8217;s children didn&#8217;t reject him, as far I could see. He received and made visits with them while I knew him (1982 to his death in 2002). He proudly showed me a photograph of him hang-gliding with his son. One of his children spoke at his memorial service.</p>
<p>William Pierce knew he had paid a price &#8212; part of which was the greater time he could have spent with his children &#8212; to take the hard path he chose to follow. But he clearly loved them, and was deeply moved when he told me this. I believe they loved him too.</p>
<p>Kevin Alfred Strom.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/#comment-15762</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 16:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To expect White man to believe such things, an omnipotent and omniscient God would have left far better physical proof than HE is alleged to have done.&quot;

It must rankle you that white men, during the last 2,000 years, have so fully embraced &quot;such things&quot; that the gospel has transformed our civilization, elevated our culture, and made our race the most advanced in the world. Now we are on the decline as we collectively reject Christ, and deservedly so. 

I know, I know, the standard line from white-race-worshipers is that our genes made us great before we knew the gospel. We were certainly created for great works - of that there can be no doubt - but our genes don&#039;t teach us to (for instance) abstain from economic oppression through usury. We need the law of God to teach us this. We need the law to turn us away from a great many things we do wrong, and we need grace for our failure to keep the law. Genes have never saved anyone from the curse of sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To expect White man to believe such things, an omnipotent and omniscient God would have left far better physical proof than HE is alleged to have done.&#8221;</p>
<p>It must rankle you that white men, during the last 2,000 years, have so fully embraced &#8220;such things&#8221; that the gospel has transformed our civilization, elevated our culture, and made our race the most advanced in the world. Now we are on the decline as we collectively reject Christ, and deservedly so. </p>
<p>I know, I know, the standard line from white-race-worshipers is that our genes made us great before we knew the gospel. We were certainly created for great works &#8211; of that there can be no doubt &#8211; but our genes don&#8217;t teach us to (for instance) abstain from economic oppression through usury. We need the law of God to teach us this. We need the law to turn us away from a great many things we do wrong, and we need grace for our failure to keep the law. Genes have never saved anyone from the curse of sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Bret Ludwig</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/#comment-15761</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret Ludwig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 10:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Dr. Revilo P. Oliver in his magnum opus, &quot;Christianity and the Survival of the West&quot; does a better job of expressing what I suspect to be the case than anything I might write does...Oliver regarded Christ a mythical figure, and not gladly or hppily but with great sadness, and I do too. 

 The evidence for the mythical nature of Jesus of Nazareth is extreme and such extreme evidence demands extremely verifiable refutation.  Almost certainly Jesus was not born of a virgin, did not die on a cross with criminals, and was not resurrected after three (or even one and a half to two, Friday night to Sunday morning...) days. To expect White man to believe such things, an omnipotent and omniscient God would have left far better physical proof than HE is alleged to have done. 

 I find in Western Christianity a great deal of good...but not the establishment of a most extraordinary fact. For that matter, I find in Mormonism a great deal of good, in fact I find in their conception of Heavenly Father a more Aryan God than conventional Christianity&#039;s...but that doesn&#039;t change the fact that Joseph Smith was a mountebank of the second order, not even a world class fraudster but a rather vanilla con artist. And I could say good things about Zoroastrianism, about Sufism, even, if I looked really hard, about pre-Talmudic Judaism. In fact, even the stinkiest religion known to man today, Scientology, has some valid ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Dr. Revilo P. Oliver in his magnum opus, &#8220;Christianity and the Survival of the West&#8221; does a better job of expressing what I suspect to be the case than anything I might write does&#8230;Oliver regarded Christ a mythical figure, and not gladly or hppily but with great sadness, and I do too. </p>
<p> The evidence for the mythical nature of Jesus of Nazareth is extreme and such extreme evidence demands extremely verifiable refutation.  Almost certainly Jesus was not born of a virgin, did not die on a cross with criminals, and was not resurrected after three (or even one and a half to two, Friday night to Sunday morning&#8230;) days. To expect White man to believe such things, an omnipotent and omniscient God would have left far better physical proof than HE is alleged to have done. </p>
<p> I find in Western Christianity a great deal of good&#8230;but not the establishment of a most extraordinary fact. For that matter, I find in Mormonism a great deal of good, in fact I find in their conception of Heavenly Father a more Aryan God than conventional Christianity&#8217;s&#8230;but that doesn&#8217;t change the fact that Joseph Smith was a mountebank of the second order, not even a world class fraudster but a rather vanilla con artist. And I could say good things about Zoroastrianism, about Sufism, even, if I looked really hard, about pre-Talmudic Judaism. In fact, even the stinkiest religion known to man today, Scientology, has some valid ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 23:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, as to the alleged thinness of the testimonial documentation attesting to the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth. 

a. However, there is far more variety of independent testimony about Jesus than for, say, Socrates. Most of what we have about Socrates was written by a single disciple, Plato. There is a handful of passing references elsewhere in the literature, but these could easily be explained by tradition or conspiracy. Moreover, the documentary chain is far further removed from the originals than the NT documents. Yet few doubt the existence of Socrates. This should be pondered hard. The witnesses for Jesus are far more varied and near to the source than any of that. The problem is not with the evidence but with the seriousness of the existential implication if true. You do not need to repent of your well-loved sins in consequence to believing that Socrates existed.

b. Historical evidence is not exactly stronger in proportion to &quot;counting documents.&quot; Imagine the difficulty of &quot;proving&quot; that so-and-so is your mother to a radical skeptic. You have a birth certificate -- &quot;forged&quot; --, you have the testimony of aunts and uncles -- &quot;conspiracy&quot;--, you have letters spanning many years--&quot;irrelevant&quot;--, and you have your own memory--&quot;hallucinating or lying&quot; and so forth. Yet few things could be more certain than the existence and identify of your mother. Something like coherence of the whole world story is more at stake than a stack of &quot;varied testimonials.&quot; And the world story is not coherent without your mother, George Washington, or Jesus of Nazareth. To suppose that the existence of Jesus was created out of thin air, the extent of conspiracy and forgery, not just of the primary documents, but the secondary and tertiary testimony, is beyond possible belief -- except that it is even more painful to belief in him, because men love their sins.

c. Each time you substitute for Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Paul some anonymous forger, they you need to do the same for the Polycarps that claimed to know them. You have to continue this ever-widening circle of impostors, many of whom faced cruel death for their message. 

d. Likewise, for every incredible detail, especially those not particularly important to the main story such as the graves opening up in Matthew, the conspiracy theorist only has that much greater of a problem -- for why would they thrown in needless details, easily contradicted if false, and utterly unnecessary to get the fraudulent &quot;movement&quot; bootstrapped?

A variation on this objection is, that if the wonderful deeds of Jesus really happened, then &quot;everyone&quot; would have been reporting it. There would be far more documentary evidence than what we have.

a. First, &quot;everyone&quot; did not write books. So let&#039;s not exaggerate the claim.

b. The same spiritual resistance would be present in them than in our current skeptics.

c. Everyone filters evidence in terms of presuppositional network. Atheists often challenge God to &quot;make an appearance,&quot; cause this book to levitate right now, etc. But this indicates a lack of deep reflection on the situation. If a book levitated, this would simply be incorporated into the naturalistic worldview. &quot;Strange things occasionally happen.&quot; &quot;There must have been some countervailing force to gravity that we simply did not measure at the time.&quot; Now think about the situation ten years later. An atheist, now a &quot;Christian,&quot; gives an account of his &quot;faith&quot; by saying, &quot;ten years ago a book levitated when we challenged God to do so.&quot; It&#039;s ridiculous to think this would happen, or that that would be any kind of sound basis for faith.

d. Those of us that are scientists or engineers have occasionally witnessed &quot;strange things&quot; in the lab. A meter shows a million volts, or whatever. This is soon written off as lab error and forgotten about. One moves on in terms of the established paradigm.

e. The idea that the apostles if genuine would have performed magic shows and that people would have &quot;come over&quot; as a result fails to understand the real issue. It assumes that the &quot;problem&quot; is witnessing miracles: as if God is wringing his hands, trying to figure out how to convince all the &quot;sincere seekers&quot; out there. If that model were true, then Christianity is certainly false. It is a serious question-begging stance.

A clue to the spiritual nature of the conflict can be glimpsed simply by observing the deeply hostile attitude of the critics. Is this rational in view of the narrative? Think about the basic message of the Bible:

&quot;God created man to enjoy him forever in joyful labor and procreation. But because of his rebellion, he forfeited the joy and glory and inherited instead death, both on earth and for eternity. But instead of leaving him in that state, God himself dropped into the world and suffered his decreed penalty in himself. In exchange for remission of his sin, man must do... nothing.&quot;

Now there are only two rational responses to this: accept it joyfully, or ruefully say, &quot;this is too good to be true; would that it were true, but it is too fantastic; I just can&#039;t believe.&quot; What do we find instead? Hatred, seething anger, hostility. Such an irrational response must have something behind it. This is just one reason we are confident the message is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, as to the alleged thinness of the testimonial documentation attesting to the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth. </p>
<p>a. However, there is far more variety of independent testimony about Jesus than for, say, Socrates. Most of what we have about Socrates was written by a single disciple, Plato. There is a handful of passing references elsewhere in the literature, but these could easily be explained by tradition or conspiracy. Moreover, the documentary chain is far further removed from the originals than the NT documents. Yet few doubt the existence of Socrates. This should be pondered hard. The witnesses for Jesus are far more varied and near to the source than any of that. The problem is not with the evidence but with the seriousness of the existential implication if true. You do not need to repent of your well-loved sins in consequence to believing that Socrates existed.</p>
<p>b. Historical evidence is not exactly stronger in proportion to &#8220;counting documents.&#8221; Imagine the difficulty of &#8220;proving&#8221; that so-and-so is your mother to a radical skeptic. You have a birth certificate &#8212; &#8220;forged&#8221; &#8211;, you have the testimony of aunts and uncles &#8212; &#8220;conspiracy&#8221;&#8211;, you have letters spanning many years&#8211;&#8221;irrelevant&#8221;&#8211;, and you have your own memory&#8211;&#8221;hallucinating or lying&#8221; and so forth. Yet few things could be more certain than the existence and identify of your mother. Something like coherence of the whole world story is more at stake than a stack of &#8220;varied testimonials.&#8221; And the world story is not coherent without your mother, George Washington, or Jesus of Nazareth. To suppose that the existence of Jesus was created out of thin air, the extent of conspiracy and forgery, not just of the primary documents, but the secondary and tertiary testimony, is beyond possible belief &#8212; except that it is even more painful to belief in him, because men love their sins.</p>
<p>c. Each time you substitute for Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Paul some anonymous forger, they you need to do the same for the Polycarps that claimed to know them. You have to continue this ever-widening circle of impostors, many of whom faced cruel death for their message. </p>
<p>d. Likewise, for every incredible detail, especially those not particularly important to the main story such as the graves opening up in Matthew, the conspiracy theorist only has that much greater of a problem &#8212; for why would they thrown in needless details, easily contradicted if false, and utterly unnecessary to get the fraudulent &#8220;movement&#8221; bootstrapped?</p>
<p>A variation on this objection is, that if the wonderful deeds of Jesus really happened, then &#8220;everyone&#8221; would have been reporting it. There would be far more documentary evidence than what we have.</p>
<p>a. First, &#8220;everyone&#8221; did not write books. So let&#8217;s not exaggerate the claim.</p>
<p>b. The same spiritual resistance would be present in them than in our current skeptics.</p>
<p>c. Everyone filters evidence in terms of presuppositional network. Atheists often challenge God to &#8220;make an appearance,&#8221; cause this book to levitate right now, etc. But this indicates a lack of deep reflection on the situation. If a book levitated, this would simply be incorporated into the naturalistic worldview. &#8220;Strange things occasionally happen.&#8221; &#8220;There must have been some countervailing force to gravity that we simply did not measure at the time.&#8221; Now think about the situation ten years later. An atheist, now a &#8220;Christian,&#8221; gives an account of his &#8220;faith&#8221; by saying, &#8220;ten years ago a book levitated when we challenged God to do so.&#8221; It&#8217;s ridiculous to think this would happen, or that that would be any kind of sound basis for faith.</p>
<p>d. Those of us that are scientists or engineers have occasionally witnessed &#8220;strange things&#8221; in the lab. A meter shows a million volts, or whatever. This is soon written off as lab error and forgotten about. One moves on in terms of the established paradigm.</p>
<p>e. The idea that the apostles if genuine would have performed magic shows and that people would have &#8220;come over&#8221; as a result fails to understand the real issue. It assumes that the &#8220;problem&#8221; is witnessing miracles: as if God is wringing his hands, trying to figure out how to convince all the &#8220;sincere seekers&#8221; out there. If that model were true, then Christianity is certainly false. It is a serious question-begging stance.</p>
<p>A clue to the spiritual nature of the conflict can be glimpsed simply by observing the deeply hostile attitude of the critics. Is this rational in view of the narrative? Think about the basic message of the Bible:</p>
<p>&#8220;God created man to enjoy him forever in joyful labor and procreation. But because of his rebellion, he forfeited the joy and glory and inherited instead death, both on earth and for eternity. But instead of leaving him in that state, God himself dropped into the world and suffered his decreed penalty in himself. In exchange for remission of his sin, man must do&#8230; nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now there are only two rational responses to this: accept it joyfully, or ruefully say, &#8220;this is too good to be true; would that it were true, but it is too fantastic; I just can&#8217;t believe.&#8221; What do we find instead? Hatred, seething anger, hostility. Such an irrational response must have something behind it. This is just one reason we are confident the message is true.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Harris</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/10/a-response-to-alex-linder/#comment-15149</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this thread seems to be slowing down, perhaps now is a good time to summarize the key issues that have been raised. For, it seems like the atheists have racked up quite a &quot;debate debt&quot; of points not conceded that somehow get ignored out of existence. 

In the case of the evidence for the gospel accounts about Jesus, there appears to be two basic objections with variations which sometimes creates confusion. Namely, historical evidence per se -- chiefly its thinness --, versus the incredibility of the miraculous. Both of these have been dealt with above, but perhaps a brief summary is in order. 

On the presupposition of God and the universe presented in the Bible, there is nothing incredible whatsoever about a miracle occurring. The same God that brought all things into existence can certainly multiply fish and bread, create wine from water, and raise the dead. However, science is also possible on this view, because the same rational God that ordinarily governs nature according to laws that he established created us with rational minds that are able to transcend the physical and believe propositions that can be true. 

On the presupposition of naturalism, on the other hand, science itself is incredible. First, why should universal abstract entities like &quot;laws&quot; attach themselves to brute matter to begin with? What is space? what is time? None of these have easy answers on the assumption of naturalism.

But grant the naturalist&#039;s metaphysic for the sake of argument. But then, how could we know such a thing? Why should a naturalistic biological organ like the brain secrete &quot;thoughts&quot; that correspond with events in the distant past or far reaches of the universe? Why should a twitch that corresponds with believing &quot;all life evolved&quot; be more or less true than a twitch that corresponds with &quot;in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.&quot; So rather than stopping with the objection, &quot;it is impossible for the dead to be raised,&quot; the atheists would do well to examine their own world view, which is self-refuting. We know the Biblical worldview is true because of the impossibility of its denial.

I will try to summarize the historical-evidence class of objections in a subsequent post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this thread seems to be slowing down, perhaps now is a good time to summarize the key issues that have been raised. For, it seems like the atheists have racked up quite a &#8220;debate debt&#8221; of points not conceded that somehow get ignored out of existence. </p>
<p>In the case of the evidence for the gospel accounts about Jesus, there appears to be two basic objections with variations which sometimes creates confusion. Namely, historical evidence per se &#8212; chiefly its thinness &#8211;, versus the incredibility of the miraculous. Both of these have been dealt with above, but perhaps a brief summary is in order. </p>
<p>On the presupposition of God and the universe presented in the Bible, there is nothing incredible whatsoever about a miracle occurring. The same God that brought all things into existence can certainly multiply fish and bread, create wine from water, and raise the dead. However, science is also possible on this view, because the same rational God that ordinarily governs nature according to laws that he established created us with rational minds that are able to transcend the physical and believe propositions that can be true. </p>
<p>On the presupposition of naturalism, on the other hand, science itself is incredible. First, why should universal abstract entities like &#8220;laws&#8221; attach themselves to brute matter to begin with? What is space? what is time? None of these have easy answers on the assumption of naturalism.</p>
<p>But grant the naturalist&#8217;s metaphysic for the sake of argument. But then, how could we know such a thing? Why should a naturalistic biological organ like the brain secrete &#8220;thoughts&#8221; that correspond with events in the distant past or far reaches of the universe? Why should a twitch that corresponds with believing &#8220;all life evolved&#8221; be more or less true than a twitch that corresponds with &#8220;in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.&#8221; So rather than stopping with the objection, &#8220;it is impossible for the dead to be raised,&#8221; the atheists would do well to examine their own world view, which is self-refuting. We know the Biblical worldview is true because of the impossibility of its denial.</p>
<p>I will try to summarize the historical-evidence class of objections in a subsequent post.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Siegfried,

The Nephilim and Gibborim were killed in the Deluge. But their fossils have been found. Go to You Tube and just type these words into the search engine and have a look at the some of the fossil record of the longheaded giants. 

The flood may well have occurred to destroy this race, referred to as &quot;strange flesh&quot; and &quot;an abomination.&quot;  But then, Nimrod began to become &#039;a Gibborim&#039; the KJV translates this as &#039;a mighty hunter before the Lord.&#039; The connection is obviously with Orion, with Lucifer, with our Lord&#039;s reference to &quot;the Strong Man.&quot; 

Nimrod and Semiramis built Babylon. Bab (gate) el (god). The gate of the god. And he and his descendents practiced Pharoahnic marriage of brother and sister.  Like Osiris and Isis (whose Egyptian name is Ast). Like Ba&#039; al and Astarte which were the names in Ur. I think that through inline breeding they were trying to reconstruct the blood / spirit axis of the ancient Nephilim who may well literally have been the descendents of the fallen angels. 

The Illuminist or Luciferian religion is the true religion of the world&#039;s elite - concealed by many symbols, logos and their cover stories. It is bound up with Orion and Canis Major (Osiris and Isis) whose son is the Horus king. In Eyptian Mythology - Osiris becomes Sokar in the fifth hour of the Duat and Anubis is the son of Sokar (the Great Serpent) and Nephthys. So in terms of the underworld, the Duat or space - you have the &#039;gods&#039; as we would perceive them: their forms of light. And you also have their demonic or serpent forms of the Duat. The serpent stautuary of &#039;the gods&#039; represents them like this - in their serpent forms, which is somewhat disguised in the Egyptian paintings. But look carefully, the forms lack &#039;handedness&#039; or chirality: two left hands and two left feet, scales etc. 

I think Orion - if one were to regard those stars as thrones or hosts (as in the language of the Bible) is a very good candidate for &quot;the covering Cherub.&quot;

I think Horus corresponds to the dark star which has an orbit around our sun and Sirius. Nibiru aka Planet X aka CHA110913773444. Note the 11 - 09 - 13 code in that name. Chandra Observatory is tracking it now: http://swift.psu.edu. When it comes into our solar system, I think it will enter exactly as Egyptian mythology says it will. Horus is born in the Delta of the Nile. In their mythology the Nile codes for the Milky Way. 

If you observe Orion, Canis Major and Canis Minor without industrial lighting - out in the desert without atmosphere, you can see that the Milky Way flows through the gate of Sirius (Can Maj) and Betelgeuse (Orion)  and Procyon (C.Min) and Alhenna (Gemini). You can clearly see &#039;the Delta of the Nile&#039; of Egyptian Mythology as the delta formed by Procyon, Sirius and Betelgeuse.  I think it is from this geocentric configuration, (this delta), that CHA110913-773444 will enter our solar system as it arcs around our sun at perihelion.

To my mind, in terms of the ancient Serpent religion, this is Horus rising with the sun. And the logo of this arc is now being everywhere displayed. Most recently the logo of the G8 summit. Along with the red kites (a falcon is a type of kite) and all the stars with the rainbow tails etc.

The ancient Serpent religion is beautiful. It unites the true sciences of geometry, music and light - sciences which the elite have suppressed in public domain.  They know very well about how to tap the energy of the vacuum. www.cheniere.org. The sciences that one is permitted to study at university are deliberately confined to crass materialist models. When in fact the key is energy and how to model energy.

But their religion isn&#039;t about science per se. It is about the gods who have their thrones in the stars. It is about their dynasty that will rule the world. And it is completely idolatrous exactly as the Bible declares. 

And don&#039;t you just know that when its high adepts who have built up their own energy and strength through special techniques of cultivating life force (some of them criminal acts) - the rites of the fallen Archangel, the taking of monatomic gold, combined with their own genetics they will be able to sustain demonic possessions and so exhibit what we (the sheeple) are being edjewmacated to think of as superpowers, X powers or mutant powers. When people see this stuff,  the ancient Serpent religion of the gods will zoom to the top of the pops. They will tell us: &quot;you can be like the gods of the stars.&quot; 

Now where have we heard this line before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Siegfried,</p>
<p>The Nephilim and Gibborim were killed in the Deluge. But their fossils have been found. Go to You Tube and just type these words into the search engine and have a look at the some of the fossil record of the longheaded giants. </p>
<p>The flood may well have occurred to destroy this race, referred to as &#8220;strange flesh&#8221; and &#8220;an abomination.&#8221;  But then, Nimrod began to become &#8216;a Gibborim&#8217; the KJV translates this as &#8216;a mighty hunter before the Lord.&#8217; The connection is obviously with Orion, with Lucifer, with our Lord&#8217;s reference to &#8220;the Strong Man.&#8221; </p>
<p>Nimrod and Semiramis built Babylon. Bab (gate) el (god). The gate of the god. And he and his descendents practiced Pharoahnic marriage of brother and sister.  Like Osiris and Isis (whose Egyptian name is Ast). Like Ba&#8217; al and Astarte which were the names in Ur. I think that through inline breeding they were trying to reconstruct the blood / spirit axis of the ancient Nephilim who may well literally have been the descendents of the fallen angels. </p>
<p>The Illuminist or Luciferian religion is the true religion of the world&#8217;s elite &#8211; concealed by many symbols, logos and their cover stories. It is bound up with Orion and Canis Major (Osiris and Isis) whose son is the Horus king. In Eyptian Mythology &#8211; Osiris becomes Sokar in the fifth hour of the Duat and Anubis is the son of Sokar (the Great Serpent) and Nephthys. So in terms of the underworld, the Duat or space &#8211; you have the &#8216;gods&#8217; as we would perceive them: their forms of light. And you also have their demonic or serpent forms of the Duat. The serpent stautuary of &#8216;the gods&#8217; represents them like this &#8211; in their serpent forms, which is somewhat disguised in the Egyptian paintings. But look carefully, the forms lack &#8216;handedness&#8217; or chirality: two left hands and two left feet, scales etc. </p>
<p>I think Orion &#8211; if one were to regard those stars as thrones or hosts (as in the language of the Bible) is a very good candidate for &#8220;the covering Cherub.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Horus corresponds to the dark star which has an orbit around our sun and Sirius. Nibiru aka Planet X aka CHA110913773444. Note the 11 &#8211; 09 &#8211; 13 code in that name. Chandra Observatory is tracking it now: <a href="http://swift.psu.edu" rel="nofollow">http://swift.psu.edu</a>. When it comes into our solar system, I think it will enter exactly as Egyptian mythology says it will. Horus is born in the Delta of the Nile. In their mythology the Nile codes for the Milky Way. </p>
<p>If you observe Orion, Canis Major and Canis Minor without industrial lighting &#8211; out in the desert without atmosphere, you can see that the Milky Way flows through the gate of Sirius (Can Maj) and Betelgeuse (Orion)  and Procyon (C.Min) and Alhenna (Gemini). You can clearly see &#8216;the Delta of the Nile&#8217; of Egyptian Mythology as the delta formed by Procyon, Sirius and Betelgeuse.  I think it is from this geocentric configuration, (this delta), that CHA110913-773444 will enter our solar system as it arcs around our sun at perihelion.</p>
<p>To my mind, in terms of the ancient Serpent religion, this is Horus rising with the sun. And the logo of this arc is now being everywhere displayed. Most recently the logo of the G8 summit. Along with the red kites (a falcon is a type of kite) and all the stars with the rainbow tails etc.</p>
<p>The ancient Serpent religion is beautiful. It unites the true sciences of geometry, music and light &#8211; sciences which the elite have suppressed in public domain.  They know very well about how to tap the energy of the vacuum. <a href="http://www.cheniere.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cheniere.org</a>. The sciences that one is permitted to study at university are deliberately confined to crass materialist models. When in fact the key is energy and how to model energy.</p>
<p>But their religion isn&#8217;t about science per se. It is about the gods who have their thrones in the stars. It is about their dynasty that will rule the world. And it is completely idolatrous exactly as the Bible declares. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t you just know that when its high adepts who have built up their own energy and strength through special techniques of cultivating life force (some of them criminal acts) &#8211; the rites of the fallen Archangel, the taking of monatomic gold, combined with their own genetics they will be able to sustain demonic possessions and so exhibit what we (the sheeple) are being edjewmacated to think of as superpowers, X powers or mutant powers. When people see this stuff,  the ancient Serpent religion of the gods will zoom to the top of the pops. They will tell us: &#8220;you can be like the gods of the stars.&#8221; </p>
<p>Now where have we heard this line before?</p>
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		<title>By: Siegfried Himmel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Siegfried Himmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynda,

Thank you very much for that response.  

I think that your explanation above is actually quite a sensible Unified Theory of Conspiracy.  It is too much to believe that the Rothschilds, or any other troupe of mere humans, even the Khazars, could be the single unifying force behind the anti-Christ conspiracy.  It must be something more, something truly satanic.  All the evidence points to the Nephilim being offspring of angels and humans, so the Nephilim would indeed be a demonic race.

It&#039;s interesting to note that some Aramaics of old believed the giants/Nephilim to be descendants of Orion, a pagan demigod whom the gods placed among the stars - especially interesting, since in the Bible the angels are associated with the stars.  

But perhaps if you wouldn&#039;t mind explaining something - how do you see the Edomites/Judaics/Khazars fitting into all this?  Are the Edomites related to the Khazars?  DAnd why are these groups, rather than any others, chosen by the Covert Apex to destroy Christendom and the Aryan race?

Again, thank you for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynda,</p>
<p>Thank you very much for that response.  </p>
<p>I think that your explanation above is actually quite a sensible Unified Theory of Conspiracy.  It is too much to believe that the Rothschilds, or any other troupe of mere humans, even the Khazars, could be the single unifying force behind the anti-Christ conspiracy.  It must be something more, something truly satanic.  All the evidence points to the Nephilim being offspring of angels and humans, so the Nephilim would indeed be a demonic race.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note that some Aramaics of old believed the giants/Nephilim to be descendants of Orion, a pagan demigod whom the gods placed among the stars &#8211; especially interesting, since in the Bible the angels are associated with the stars.  </p>
<p>But perhaps if you wouldn&#8217;t mind explaining something &#8211; how do you see the Edomites/Judaics/Khazars fitting into all this?  Are the Edomites related to the Khazars?  DAnd why are these groups, rather than any others, chosen by the Covert Apex to destroy Christendom and the Aryan race?</p>
<p>Again, thank you for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 04:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Siegried,

Thank you so much for your letter of encouragement.  Spirit Water Blood is my favourite blog and right now I have enough coffee breaks in my work schedule to post regularly. 

The Covert Apex I must confess is a term of my own coinage. In my retirement I am participating in a think tank for our local home schools. I do research for our curricula. This has given me the opportunity to think about my Conspiracy Unites Everything theory. 

Since I have to think about public affairs and social policies for the home schools, I am trying to integrate my thinking on the subjects of politics, international directorates of social/ economic policies, media, religions, education, the cartelized multi cult state as it locks into international banking and corporate structure and international theatres of war, revolution, counterrevolution, cointelpro, organized crime. These are not all separate subject matter. As the NWO shapes up, these are unified in the service of a single Agenda. The Protocols of Zion covers all these areas and I think to understand the Master Plan, one must look at the interfaces of these areas. 

So I have to create terms that allow me to understand these interfaces and how they integrate in the pyramid structure of NWO currently under construction.

Looking at the iconography of the pyramid of the eye and the hexagram - I see a pyrmidion or apex above the visible structure.  Like in the movie Star Wars which revealed many important Illuminist doctrines and terms like Jedi, Yoda, Corazan etc. In that series, the term: The Force was defined as both invisible and permeating and binding. It held the balance of the power conflict between its own creations of good / evil; light / dark etc.  The play and interplay was the thing. Out of dialectical conflict a new balance, order and gestalt would emerge.

The poet William Blake wrote:

&quot;This Life&#039;s dim Windows of the soul
Distorts the Heavens from Pole to Pole
And leads you to blieve a lie
When you see with and not thro&#039; the eye.&quot;

And today the Great Eye is looking at us. It becomes imperative for those who would free themselves of the Lie to see with the single eye of the holy faith and not to look through the wadjet eye of the Watchers and their world pyramid. 

What I think of as the covert apex is a dynastic group whose power goes way back. They insulate themselves from the dialectics of their theatres of conflict and the forces they set into play. But they will inherit each new gestalt that emerges - until the Church again claims victory.

I first started thinking this way when I encountered the testimony of John Todd on Henry Makow&#039;s website.  Dr Makow is the author of The Illuminati: the Cult that Hijacked the World. This text can not be recommended too highly.  www.henrymakow.com. 

When I did a search on John Todd and began to read his testimony,  I noted that he often spoke of &#039;the Rothschild Tribunal&#039;.  Isn&#039;t that interesting I said to myself. It is like there is a bar beyond which no one can at this point see like the foundation or base of a Trilateral or pyrmidion above what is public and knowable in terms of the world power structure. For some reason, the knowable face of world power behind all the stooges is undoubtedly the Rothschilds. And because the play is the thing and the Rothschild banking cartel (which owns nations in the present gestalt) so obviously has the bad guy script, they can not be holding the Balance. They can not be the Force which I think is a dynastic priesthood - called by many names. It was the Shemsu Hor in Egypt. I think Moriah is the correct term dating back to Ur.

What I also found fascinating about John Todd&#039;s testimony was that he also regarded the real power in the world as being Luciferian and their rede was witchcraft - the Necromicon. He traces this back to Akkad, Sumer and ultimately Ur of the Chaldees. He calls this dynasty Moriah. &quot;The All Conquering Wind&quot; i.e. the Force.  

The Apostle James refers to the Book of Enoch in his letter. The Book of Enoch contains the Secret Doctrine or a version of it. That Lucifer descended upon Ardis, the summit of Mt Sion &quot;which is Hermon&quot; (Deut 4:48). And there the rebel angels who, according to St Jude &quot;kept not their first estate&quot; swore oath to Lucifer for a dynastic succession. Unless it is really imperative, no one would read the turgid works of Helena Petrovna Blatvatsky: The Secret Doctrine. The most accessible form is the parable by Rudyard Kipling: The Man Who Would Be King.

And then began the first miscegenation - the fallen of the host sired progeny upon or with human females. &quot;And there were giants Gibborim in the earth in those days&quot; according to the Genesis account. But this word is also used transitionally. As in &quot;Nimrod began to become a Gibborim&quot;.

The distinct Moriah bloodline of Ur is descended from Nimrod. People have objected to John Todd&#039;s testimony by saying that Angels are incorporal spirits, so it is not possible for them to engender a dynastic succession. I have no idea. But I do know from many congruent testimonies that have been published that the rites of the fallen Archangel (i.e. Wicca, Druidh, Magian, Sabian, etc) use sex magick. Crowley&#039;s work alone demonstrates this. 

In these rites, people are possessed of these beings: spiritually, physically, mentally, pyschologically, morally and in these possessions in which the human victim displays powers that we would in modern usage call &#039;superpowers&#039; - sexual acts and conceptions do occur. So is this another race or not?  John Todd claimed to be of that bloodline. He claimed that the power of their ancient religion is fundamentally a religion of blood. I think he is right. I think no matter from which angle you look at his testimony it agrees with other evidences that are multiple and congruent.

Also, there are the parish records of exorcisms from many, many centuries of the Church. The possessed do indeed exhibit these &#039;superpowers&#039; of which John Todd speaks and we see this in scripture as well.

We know that from the time Adam and Eve delivered the inheritance of the earth to Lucifer, that the kingdoms of this world belonged to him. He said this himself: &quot;all the kingdoms of this world for such are given to me.&quot; (Matt 4:8) Yet even after he was cast down from the throne of the world and the title deeds of the earth were transferred to our Lord, the Apostle John writes &quot;We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness.&quot; (1 John 5:19) The Principalities and Powers still hold sway, but their Apex has been thrown down. Victory has been declared and  The Church was founded to assert that victory against these  principalities and powers, their human puppets (rulers) and their slave empire that remains in place.

The Moriah and the nations they have captured and Judaized or Edomized, of course, are attempting to build it back.

As at the time of our Lord, these Principalities and Powers and their Covert Apex still cloak themselves in angel of light personas, the public interest, humanitarian agenda etc. Whoever the Covert Apex is they are insulated from their Agentur which have been assigned or undertaken the &#039;bad guy script&#039; in their world theatre. After their Chao, the Agentur of their Masonry will always harvest the new ordo in the persona of &#039;for the good all&#039; or some noble cause that will then become the thresh hold of the next conflict that the Agentur will machinate.

Our Lord puts it like this: &quot;the kings of the Gentiles lord it over them and they that have power over them are called beneficent.&quot; (Luke 22:25)

But in the Apocalypse, this mask is coming off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Siegried,</p>
<p>Thank you so much for your letter of encouragement.  Spirit Water Blood is my favourite blog and right now I have enough coffee breaks in my work schedule to post regularly. </p>
<p>The Covert Apex I must confess is a term of my own coinage. In my retirement I am participating in a think tank for our local home schools. I do research for our curricula. This has given me the opportunity to think about my Conspiracy Unites Everything theory. </p>
<p>Since I have to think about public affairs and social policies for the home schools, I am trying to integrate my thinking on the subjects of politics, international directorates of social/ economic policies, media, religions, education, the cartelized multi cult state as it locks into international banking and corporate structure and international theatres of war, revolution, counterrevolution, cointelpro, organized crime. These are not all separate subject matter. As the NWO shapes up, these are unified in the service of a single Agenda. The Protocols of Zion covers all these areas and I think to understand the Master Plan, one must look at the interfaces of these areas. </p>
<p>So I have to create terms that allow me to understand these interfaces and how they integrate in the pyramid structure of NWO currently under construction.</p>
<p>Looking at the iconography of the pyramid of the eye and the hexagram &#8211; I see a pyrmidion or apex above the visible structure.  Like in the movie Star Wars which revealed many important Illuminist doctrines and terms like Jedi, Yoda, Corazan etc. In that series, the term: The Force was defined as both invisible and permeating and binding. It held the balance of the power conflict between its own creations of good / evil; light / dark etc.  The play and interplay was the thing. Out of dialectical conflict a new balance, order and gestalt would emerge.</p>
<p>The poet William Blake wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;This Life&#8217;s dim Windows of the soul<br />
Distorts the Heavens from Pole to Pole<br />
And leads you to blieve a lie<br />
When you see with and not thro&#8217; the eye.&#8221;</p>
<p>And today the Great Eye is looking at us. It becomes imperative for those who would free themselves of the Lie to see with the single eye of the holy faith and not to look through the wadjet eye of the Watchers and their world pyramid. </p>
<p>What I think of as the covert apex is a dynastic group whose power goes way back. They insulate themselves from the dialectics of their theatres of conflict and the forces they set into play. But they will inherit each new gestalt that emerges &#8211; until the Church again claims victory.</p>
<p>I first started thinking this way when I encountered the testimony of John Todd on Henry Makow&#8217;s website.  Dr Makow is the author of The Illuminati: the Cult that Hijacked the World. This text can not be recommended too highly.  <a href="http://www.henrymakow.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.henrymakow.com</a>. </p>
<p>When I did a search on John Todd and began to read his testimony,  I noted that he often spoke of &#8216;the Rothschild Tribunal&#8217;.  Isn&#8217;t that interesting I said to myself. It is like there is a bar beyond which no one can at this point see like the foundation or base of a Trilateral or pyrmidion above what is public and knowable in terms of the world power structure. For some reason, the knowable face of world power behind all the stooges is undoubtedly the Rothschilds. And because the play is the thing and the Rothschild banking cartel (which owns nations in the present gestalt) so obviously has the bad guy script, they can not be holding the Balance. They can not be the Force which I think is a dynastic priesthood &#8211; called by many names. It was the Shemsu Hor in Egypt. I think Moriah is the correct term dating back to Ur.</p>
<p>What I also found fascinating about John Todd&#8217;s testimony was that he also regarded the real power in the world as being Luciferian and their rede was witchcraft &#8211; the Necromicon. He traces this back to Akkad, Sumer and ultimately Ur of the Chaldees. He calls this dynasty Moriah. &#8220;The All Conquering Wind&#8221; i.e. the Force.  </p>
<p>The Apostle James refers to the Book of Enoch in his letter. The Book of Enoch contains the Secret Doctrine or a version of it. That Lucifer descended upon Ardis, the summit of Mt Sion &#8220;which is Hermon&#8221; (Deut 4:48). And there the rebel angels who, according to St Jude &#8220;kept not their first estate&#8221; swore oath to Lucifer for a dynastic succession. Unless it is really imperative, no one would read the turgid works of Helena Petrovna Blatvatsky: The Secret Doctrine. The most accessible form is the parable by Rudyard Kipling: The Man Who Would Be King.</p>
<p>And then began the first miscegenation &#8211; the fallen of the host sired progeny upon or with human females. &#8220;And there were giants Gibborim in the earth in those days&#8221; according to the Genesis account. But this word is also used transitionally. As in &#8220;Nimrod began to become a Gibborim&#8221;.</p>
<p>The distinct Moriah bloodline of Ur is descended from Nimrod. People have objected to John Todd&#8217;s testimony by saying that Angels are incorporal spirits, so it is not possible for them to engender a dynastic succession. I have no idea. But I do know from many congruent testimonies that have been published that the rites of the fallen Archangel (i.e. Wicca, Druidh, Magian, Sabian, etc) use sex magick. Crowley&#8217;s work alone demonstrates this. </p>
<p>In these rites, people are possessed of these beings: spiritually, physically, mentally, pyschologically, morally and in these possessions in which the human victim displays powers that we would in modern usage call &#8216;superpowers&#8217; &#8211; sexual acts and conceptions do occur. So is this another race or not?  John Todd claimed to be of that bloodline. He claimed that the power of their ancient religion is fundamentally a religion of blood. I think he is right. I think no matter from which angle you look at his testimony it agrees with other evidences that are multiple and congruent.</p>
<p>Also, there are the parish records of exorcisms from many, many centuries of the Church. The possessed do indeed exhibit these &#8216;superpowers&#8217; of which John Todd speaks and we see this in scripture as well.</p>
<p>We know that from the time Adam and Eve delivered the inheritance of the earth to Lucifer, that the kingdoms of this world belonged to him. He said this himself: &#8220;all the kingdoms of this world for such are given to me.&#8221; (Matt 4:8) Yet even after he was cast down from the throne of the world and the title deeds of the earth were transferred to our Lord, the Apostle John writes &#8220;We know that we are of God and the whole world is seated in wickedness.&#8221; (1 John 5:19) The Principalities and Powers still hold sway, but their Apex has been thrown down. Victory has been declared and  The Church was founded to assert that victory against these  principalities and powers, their human puppets (rulers) and their slave empire that remains in place.</p>
<p>The Moriah and the nations they have captured and Judaized or Edomized, of course, are attempting to build it back.</p>
<p>As at the time of our Lord, these Principalities and Powers and their Covert Apex still cloak themselves in angel of light personas, the public interest, humanitarian agenda etc. Whoever the Covert Apex is they are insulated from their Agentur which have been assigned or undertaken the &#8216;bad guy script&#8217; in their world theatre. After their Chao, the Agentur of their Masonry will always harvest the new ordo in the persona of &#8216;for the good all&#8217; or some noble cause that will then become the thresh hold of the next conflict that the Agentur will machinate.</p>
<p>Our Lord puts it like this: &#8220;the kings of the Gentiles lord it over them and they that have power over them are called beneficent.&#8221; (Luke 22:25)</p>
<p>But in the Apocalypse, this mask is coming off.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Siegfried Himmel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynda,

I continue to appreciate every post you write.

I was wondering where you got the information about the Covert Apex and the Ur priesthood.  I did a Google search for &quot;covert apex&quot; and all I found were poorly translated Japanese blog posts about cell phones.  

Excellent post, though.  Now whenever I hear someone say &quot;JCC&quot; (for &quot;Jewish Community Center&quot;) I will think of &quot;Judeo Cartelized Capitalism.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynda,</p>
<p>I continue to appreciate every post you write.</p>
<p>I was wondering where you got the information about the Covert Apex and the Ur priesthood.  I did a Google search for &#8220;covert apex&#8221; and all I found were poorly translated Japanese blog posts about cell phones.  </p>
<p>Excellent post, though.  Now whenever I hear someone say &#8220;JCC&#8221; (for &#8220;Jewish Community Center&#8221;) I will think of &#8220;Judeo Cartelized Capitalism.&#8221;</p>
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