I am merely pointing out that the West’s rationalist, filioquist philosophy is at the root of ALL the subsequent problems the West is suffering from…..

And you relegate it to ‘doctrinal fights.’ If you told Lynda not to mention the Sacred Heart, Fatima, or Thomistic philosophy at the same time as you tell me to ‘cool my jets’ I could believe you more whole-heartedly.

But if foolhardiness is doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result, in the realms of philosophy, don’t you think we’ve given filioquist/Enlightenment/Thomist thought, more than ample time to prove its’ validity???

The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church parted company at the Council of Florence. It is pointless to reiterate here the anathemas that these two have leveled at each ofther over the centuries.

I do not accept that Orthodoxy has the ‘fullness of the Catholic faith.” In the above post, as an Orthodox, you again deny on this website our Lord’s great commission (the Catholic Mark): “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you” (Mathew 28:18-20. This passage does not refer to White Europeans exclusively as you would have us to believe – in that only Whites may receive adoption as ‘sons’ – quoting Eph 1:4 in support of your error.

Denying Our Lord’s words and twisting them in support of this racially supremacist position is heresy. And I think this does concern those who are reading these posts and comments and writing here.

The Roman Catholic doctrine on the Sacred Heart of Our Lord (his Kingship) and the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady (the Arc of His Covenant) are not idolatries of body parts. A statement like that takes not thought of either scripture and Patristics – especially the writings of the Fathers on Our Lord as the Last Adam (1 Cor 15:45-50). These same Fathers also discoursed most eloquently upon our Lady as the New Eve in her role as God Bearer and mother of the members of Christ. This is the new creation of the God-man race – those from all nations who would receive the Evangel, be born of baptism and of Spirit, commune in the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ.

The writings of the Fathers (venerated by both Christian East and West) together with scripture as well as events in the lives of saints are the foundations of these doctrines of the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

This is not a devotion to ‘body parts’. This is a devotion to Our Lord’s Kingship. As for the Immaculate, the scroll of the Apocalypse is to be read as a continuous writing front and back. Therefore the following is to be read without chapter breaks:

“Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, voices, peals of thunder, an earthquake and heavy hail. And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun..”

These passages equate the Arc of the Covenant in heaven with the Woman clothed with the sun.

When this portent was revealed upon earth to the Church in time – it was not the Church that reported it, it was the secular press. The event that the Church would later investigate and declare ‘Signum Magnum’ was reported to the world by the Masonic, secular press on page one – all national papers in Lisbon Oct 13 – 14, 1917. This is matter of historical record. Even the New York Times reported this event – on the last page after the baseball scores.

The Church, however, maintained a very careful prudence and reserve about it for years and conducted a most thorough investigation.

On your website, The White Christ you have many times quoted Fr Seraphim Rose. “In the end all churches will serve antichrist.” However, you fail to report any plan the Almighty who knows the end from the beginning might actually have for the Christian faithful to persevere in the saving faith when all the churches serve antichrist, when sacramental life of the Church is extinguished, when the oblation and the holy sacrifice are trampled, when the ordinary means of grace for salvation are either extinguished or highly compromised by the Great Apostasy and confusion reigns supreme.

For those who know Catholic doctrine, however, we know that Divine Providence did not fail to make provision for the Christian faithful during the ‘hour of the power of darkness’. A refuge was prepared from the beginning. And that refuge is the Arc of the Covenant, the Woman clothed with the sun of Apoc 12:1.

At Fatima, the Lord worked a miracle of the sun that was reported internationally in order to ratify the testament of the Woman Clothed with the Sun, a testament that would be for the time when the Church would be in eclipse [when 'all churches would serve antichrist']. At that time, Our Lady declared to the faithful through the children of the Serra that Our Lord had opened to the faithful the sanctuary of devotion to her Immaculate Heart. At this time, Our Lord himself grants to the faithful the sublime refuge in the Arc of His Covenant, in the Immaculate Heart magnifying our Lord above all (Luke 1:46) and pondering the mysteries of his Incarnation in her Heart – the mysteries of faith. (Luke 2:19)

You might think this is a stupid picture, Fr John, but your dismissal of our Lord’s great and public miracle of the sun and your denigration of our Lady’s Immaculate Heart hinders those who are seeking to persevere in the holy faith (even in whatever remnants they have been able to salvage) at the time of the Great Apostasy.

The Church is in eclipse. The orthodox have no plan for anyone at this time except to keep harping on all the ‘anti Romanist’ and ‘anti-papist’ cannards.

Here, Lynda, is where we DO part ways. First off, as I have noted of a recent blogger whose posts I once enjoyed greatly, http://thewhitechrist.wordpress.com/2009/07/21/speaking-the-truth-in-love/

‘May I point out that RC Dogma, martyrology, and philosophy are totally against the Orthodox phronema? (as well as the Calvinist/Protestant Weltanschauung!) May I point out that numberless synods, Patriarchs, Bishops, Priests, Canons, and local synods have joined the anathemas against the Roman Church, over the CENTURIES?

As I noted from an excellent article over at http://www.orthodoxinfo.com, “Believing, as we do, that the Orthodox Church Is the Church, wherein is to be found the fullness of the Catholic Faith—that is, the Apostolic Faith in all its purity and wholeness—there can be no question of accepting anything contrary to Orthodox teaching and practice. This must immediately render suspect any shrine or apparition involving the dogma of the Immaculate Conception or encouraging the un-Orthodox cult of devotion to parts of the body—the hearts of Jesus and Mary. (In seventeenth century France, there had even been devotion to the Virgin’s left foot and the soles of her shoes.)” – http://www.orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/marian_apparitions.aspx?print=ok

I will not belabor that point, except to note for our esteemed Admin, that the reason this writer sees the rise of protestant excess in ‘charismania’ alongside of the various ‘Marian apparitions’ in Roman Catholi-’schim’, is that it is intimately tied to…. yes; The filioque.

‘Nothing like this happened in the East. Rooted soundly and soberly in the solid theology of Orthodoxy, and spiritually nourished by a vernacular liturgy, the Lord’s Mother fitted naturally into her rightful place in a perfectly balanced and harmonious whole. The Western distortion of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity resulting from the Filioque with its (almost unintentional) down-grading of the Holy Spirit…’

As to the last comment you made, Lynda, I strenuously disagree. Coming as you do, (from a Thomistic bent) the concept of ‘free will’ is so strong, as to render any predestinating act of God superfluous- which is, of course, unbiblical. But, (as a former Calvinist) I clearly see the conversion of the White Race of Europe to be THE fulfillment of that phrase in St. Paul’s writings, wherein he says, “According as he hath chosen US in him before the FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that WE should be holy and without blame before him in love; having PREDESTINATED US unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the Good Pleasure of HIS will.” [Eph. 1:4ff.]

A post sent to me some time back I think will put to rest any attempts to find an ‘all men’ in that phrase ‘adoption as sons.’

http://thewhitechrist.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/the-heresy-of-adoption/

Sincerely, Lynda, the Church of Rome’s errors go much further back than Vatican II. It only took me twenty years to figure it out. I’m just passing on what I have found, FYI.

Once again, (whatever your ethnicity) please learn what Dante called the ‘virtous paganism’ of your European ancestors. Hel was the ‘goddess’ of the cauldron of impious souls which were consigned to the flames. All virtuous pagans fear with salutory fear – the cauldron of Hel.

Gehenna which the Christians translated as the Hell of Spiritual fire (after our Lord’s parable) is the existence of those who refuse to know God the Creator or ackowledge Christ – the Son of God and Son of man in his Evangel, in the faith He established in His Church and refuse the Holy Spirit.

In the Judgement, these poor souls will hear the Divine sentence: “Depart from Me.” They will hear these dread words from the One by Whom and for Whom all things exist. The torment of the fires of that existence to which they depart is for the fallen Angels who have rejected and hated our Lord to His face; it is for souls who have rejected the sacrifice of our Lord in his Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity for their sins; it is for the souls who have refused the Divine call, the Divine love, the Divine desire, yet is actually a mercy oblating the souls’ anguish at the Divine rejection whch ratifies their own choice.

Rejection and Heresy are choices of the human will. These things have no existence in their own right.

When our Lady at Fatima opened her hands, she showed to the three shepherd children of the Serra the vision of the Eschaton or Last Things for the last times of the world which would scoff at the holy faith. One of the things she showed them is the Hell of Fire. She said: “You have seen Hell were the souls of poor sinners go. It is to prevent them that our Lord desires to establish upon earth the devotion to my Immaculate Heart” – the sanctuary of faith when the Church would be in Eclipse; when the sacramental life of the Church would be extinguished.

Please get a hold of this, Hohenzollern. This is the Heart of the God Bearer which kept “all these things and pondered them.” This is the Heart which magnifies our Lord above all – above all creation and above all Angels. This is the refuge and sanctuary which our Lord has opened for us in the last times of the world – when the ordinary means of grace that our Lord positively wills for his Church is extinguished because of the power of anti-Christ. I refer specifically to the Most Blessed Sacrament of the altar which is denied to most.

As I have said in many posts – the paganism of the Europeans was that good and fertile ground which could yield fruit a hundred fold. That we, the Europeans, became the Christ bearing race, the Christopher, as nation after European nation converted to the Evangel; it is not of us – lest any should boast. It was a work of Grace upon that good and fertile ground of European paganism. It was a work of Grace for those upon whom the Europeans would labour and expend for the sake of the Evangel – those nations whose culture was much harder, more stoney and barren than ours.

The Sacred Heart of our Lord desires these nations with great desire. And we, Europeans, are the ones who must labour for them even in the last times of the world.

I would say we’re on the same track….

Holy, Holy, Holy. Most Holy Trinity Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I offer You the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the earth in reparation for the sacrileges, outrages and indifference by which He Himself is offended. And through the infinite merits of His Most Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary, I beg of you the conversion of poor sinners.

And yes, these completely unschooled children aged 11, 9 and 7 were able to learn this prayer and repeat it for their parish priest, who was astounded. As indeed was the entire Catholic world, for no matter how you look at it – it is theologically perfect, as are all the prayers of the Angels – only a few of which we know from the Bible.

Blaspheme our Lord again, Hohenzollern, and I guarantee….”

Uh huh. Right. Ok, then…moving right along…

Oscar,

First of all, I’m not an atheist. Second of all, yes I do find that D.M. Murdock aka Acharya S makes some very compelling observations, but she is far from the first or only free-thinker to shine a glaring spotlight on the falsity of Christian claims. Ha! ha! ha! all you like but, despite your strident assertions, never has the Mythicist case been refuted. Ever. Because it is irrefutable.

What we seem to be dealing with here is in all probability the biggest case of Stockholm Syndrome ever recorded. I understand that you naturally don’t LIKE many of the things I’ve said, but I haven’t used foul language or “spoken against” any particular figure within your religious mythos, other than to point out that it, and they, are largely just that- mythical and allegorical as opposed to concretely historical.

I guess it’s ok with people like you if people like me reject the idea that the Bible is the literally-true Word of God, as long as we shut up and never mention it, and for a long time that’s how it worked, because if we did we ran the real risk of being completely ostracized, if we were lucky, or tortured and executed if we weren’t. But those days are over and they’re not coming back. You can’t just hide out in your own little, insular world and expect not to be confronted with the truth anymore, so for the sake of your own blood-pressure, you should try to adjust to the times, for they are a changin’.

Besides, it’s you guys who tell the rest of us that if we don’t believe in your religion we’re condemned to burn in Hell for eternity, so shouldn’t we really find that upsetting? Shouldn’t we be the ones making charges of vulgarity, blasphemy etc.? You’ve got everything all out of whack. The burden of proof isn’t on the non-religious, it’s on y’all. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence or arguments, at the least. None is forthcoming. Christians are amusing because if you, through use of your mental faculties and critical reasoning, conclude they’re peddling the Truth and adopt their religion, then you’re a swell guy, but God help you if you find the product to be riddled with holes and fatally flawed.

I think someone would have to work very hard to construe my statement in this way.

I was speaking ethnographically about THAT area of the Caucasus that is quite frankly a mine field. What knowledge I have in the matter comes from Benjamin Freedman’s speech where he touches very briefly upon the ethnic origin of the Khazarim. He describes them as a Finno Turkish people and delineates their empire at the height of its power as encompassing S Russia, E Ukraine in E Europe, Georgia, the Crimea also in E Europe. From my own studies I remember the term Rus itself derives from the Finnish language. The pagan Finnish rune singers fascinated J.R.R. Tolkien and he wrote a lot of monographs on it.

Among the Khazarim, there are Jews, Muslims and Christians. And I think I have seen the Lord’s Prayer in that language on the net.

I think it is popularly known that there are Black Russians of Southern Russia and White Russians or Belarus. As far as I know, among the Belarus in Eastern Europe there are Roman Catholics and Catholics of the Uniate Rite in Latvia, Lithuiannia, Estonia, there are the Russian Orthodox of Russia, of course and the Ukrainian Orthodox and Uniate Rite Catholics of the Ukraine. And there were also Roman Catholics in Russia. Fr Pranitis who translated the Talmud into Latin was martyred during the Bolshevik Revolution.

I think the most beautiful Christian art in the entire world come from the Kievan schools: Ukranian Orthodox and Catholic Uniate.

I think that the Franciscan accounts of their mission to Khazaria makes for fascinating reading and some amazing glimpses of that pagan culture. By all accounts the Franciscans wasted their time, as the Khazarian Khagan was not interested in discussing religion or spiritual matters. Most of his subjects were Jewish, but he himself was a pagan who worshipped the devil as the devil. And he was married to about 10 Jewesses. In this amazing scene from the Franciscan accounts you have the Khagan sitting there in his tent telling the Franciscan friars about all his personal woes. It is really very funny. I mean here is a man who has no need for the ‘angel of light’ pose of satan, he worships Satan as the devil and his biggest problem is his marital relations with the Jewesses who boss him around.

I agree with you about the novus ordo sect currently in occupation of the Roman Catholic infrastructure worldwide and the modern anti-papacy. The Chair of Peter was overthrown in Rome in 1958. The Roman Catholic Church in communion with the true papacy – the Successors of Pope Gregory XVII – is the Church in Eclipse. I am a member of that communion. I think it is alarming that anti-pope Benedict and Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople are working toward ecumenical relations. As far as I am concerned, I hope God blesses and keeps the Orthodox (and all the Protestants for that matter) as far away from Benedict as possible. And I am sure he will be back in the U.S. of A. touting the Noachide laws before you can say apostate. He is very busy bee is that Benedict with all his rabbi pals in the Sanhedrin.

What vulgar vitriol and blasphemies?

“…religion that has visited such misery and destruction upon our people has indeed finally lost its hold and power over the European Mind and will soon (historically speaking) breathe its last, never to rise again.”

“…still insist on living in a world that is long past and gone for good.”

“…They can put it down. If they woke up tomorrow as non-Christians, how would their lives be different in any substantial way? The wouldn’t.”

“…Kinists certainly don’t hesitate to take swipes at non-believers in the magical, resurrecting Jew-god they worship (who as a divine yet corporeal being resides we know not where -in another dimension, hovering out in the deep reaches of our galaxy?”

To refresh your mind, the above were some of your filthy vitriol and blasphemous comments. You show an extreme hatred of Christianity like every anti-theist I have encountered. Something I would expect from someone brainwashed at the Stalinist Youth Propaganda Camps (the so-called public schools). Your above statements also demonstrate a strong delusion about a supposed soon collapse of Christianity. What will collapse is this immoral secular Federal Politburo and the secular degenerate society in America.

I am amused that you are advertising (you provided a link) a book by a woman who earns a “living” by peddling false, recycled copycat theories. I see that you have been deceived to accept her nonsense. Christians have refuted over and over again the atheistic fantasies and delusions about a purported link between the God-breathed New Testament Scriptures and the fairy tales of the pagans. There is absolutely no link between Jesus Christ and the false pagan gods. Evidently, you’re another follower of “Acharya S” and her pseudo-scholarship. According to her first conspiratorial book, Christianity was invented by Jews and pagan Masons to “serve as a one-world religion for the Roman Empire. This religion would be a collage of all of the other world religions and combined with astrology.” http://www.answeringinfidels.com/answering-skeptics/answering-acharya-s/a-refutation-of-archary-ss-book-the-christ-conspiracy-pt-1.html.
Ha! Ha! Ha! This woman is no ground-breaking scholar! She is a militant atheist propagandist who has worked for at least one atheist organization (which was founded by a anti-Christ Jew named Paul Kurtz). Pushing this rubbish in a Christian Kinist blog will accomplish nothing for your erroneous atheistic assumptions.

Atheism is irrational and worthless because, among many other errors, it appeals to authority, it is self-contradictory, begs the question, and it is spiritually and morally bankrupt. Atheism cannot account for the laws of logic, moral Law, and other immaterial, invariant, and universal laws and concepts. Atheism is highly arbitrary in many of its practices. In an atheist universe, its “Different strokes for different folks”. So who cares if a person murders another person in an Atheistic world. For the values that the murderer has chosen for himself are not contrary with his actions. If naturalism and scientism are true, there is no moral outrage if one bag of protoplasm “murders” another bag of protoplasm. In a godless universe, there isn’t a transcendent holy Law which reflects the will of a transcendent, eternal, holy God who determines good and evil. As a result of its moral blindness, Atheism is a great danger to all of mankind. As the Christian brethren know, Atheistic Communism slaughtered 100,000,000 people (many of them professing Christians) in the 20th Century alone! What barbarism! Not to mention, 30,000,000 others who died as a result of the wars that Atheistic Communism caused. Further, the fairy tale of atheism teaches that all of reality (and of course atheists differ on what reality is) came about from nothing! Ha! Ha! Ha! Atheism is an absurd superstition masquerading as the standard bearer of freedom, intellectualism, and science. No wonder the Scripture teaches: “The fool has said in his heart, there is no God.”

Well, I will stop here. The admin doesnt want this blog to be turned into a Christian vs. irrational Atheists debate site.