In terms of the holy faith, I think we have to look to living truth of which we are but mere keepers and vessels.

I see a deal of argument on this website about propositional Christianity. Personally, I have no idea what this means or can possibly mean. Yes, the statements of the Credo can be stated and argued propositionally – as in the catechism, as in apologetics, in systematic theology. But this is a mere intellectual treatment of the thing itself. Ideas about the faith (even if correct as a mere idea) are not the faith.

The faith is supremely a Subject. Any propositional treatment objectifies (for a purpose) that which can not of itself be objectified. The faith is supremely a Subject because it is the life within us of the Supreme Subject – the eternal Logos.

The holy faith as truth is a living dynamic because of the One who said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life.” In its essence the faith is more like a hologram than it is like a proposition – for in holography, the whole is beheld in any one of its parts. From the heart are the issues of life and from the hearts sanctified by the Holy Spirit in the Truth, come the ways in which we live and meet the challenges of the issues of life.

This power is growing within us and through us into the New Heaven and New Earth. If we hold to and persevere in the holy faith then we are new creation in Christ and the holy faith is the way we think and feel and imagine and live as individuals, as family, as kindred, as nation, as race in Covenant relationship with Our Lord. This reality proclaims itself in every dimension of life and is the “evidence of things unseen.”

This life generates its own solutions to conflicts and problems within the created orders.

Egalitarianism is a myth. What actually exists is order and hierarchy within order. And within the order of nature, a living soul (an enfleshed God Breathed spirit and enspirited God created soul) is a person. And a person has an individual, sexual, ethnic and racial identity with all its qualities which can either be enobled and (if we are Christian) sanctified or if under the sway of the world, the flesh and Satan – corrupted and degraded.

A saint is more distinguished, more vivid and real in his or her qualities of natural order and grace – not less than someone who is merely an unbeliever.

There is an order of nature; an order of grace and an order of ‘glory’ or theosis. Just as grace perfects nature, so theosis perfects grace.

This is not a proposition. This a spiritual law and if you are based on this through living faith, then lived solutions to individual and collective problems appear.

In the order of nature, the races are not equal in their capabilities; just like in the order of nature the different species of canis are not equal in their capabilities. They might be equal in value before their Creator as creations in their own order, creations of the Divine Logos from nothing. But they were not created equal in capabilities and they were intended as creations to be distinctive in their qualities.

It is true, the anti-Christs have raised the Black Flag against the Caucasian race – which is tragically no longer a race of Christian nations. This flag represents degradation in the natural order, numbers, force and antiChrist laws of oppression for us. Without such laws, numbers and force could not avail. But unless the white race had become corrupt, materialistic and pagan – the assertion of degradation in the natural order could not avail. And with the whites fighting each other, the Black race is asserting itself successfully against the White on the basis of numbers and force.

Yet the Caucasian race, does not meet this conflict from the wellsprings of its true identity in the order of grace. It does not arise to this conflict as the Christ bearing race. And there might not be any solution to this conflict for the whites outside of our identity in the order of grace.

In terms of the order of grace, the white nations are the only nations that as nations converted to the Evangelium. Among the races of mankind, only this white race converted to Christ in its nations, worshipped as a single race in Spirit and in Truth, communed as a single race in the body and blood, soul and Divinity of Our Lord, lived the holy faith and its Covenant at the level of civilization – the Christendom of the Holy Western Empire.

This is not, of course, to say that tribes and kindreds, even nations of non white peoples did not convert and receive the holy gift. But only, in the order of grace, did the white race in its nations convert. Thus, we are and always will be that unique Christ bearing race. And as a race we have fallen from that high station.

Can we arise to meet the current challenge in the mere order of nature? This remains to be seen if you think that hope for the race lies that way.

But now, in the times of the Great Apostacy, the operation of The Lie is so powerful, with all the Christian institutions overthrown and only a remnant of the true Apostolic Succession underground – that for individuals even families to convert to the Evangelium, to hold and persevere in the true faith is such a manifest work of the Holy Spirit, it would seem to me that in the new creation coming out of the Great Apostacy, another order entirely has appeared.

The prophet Daniel puts it like this: In that time of trouble that never was since ever there was a nation “those who know their God will shine like the stars of heaven forever.” Dan 12:3.

I think it is precisely this blessed few who are going to turn this thing around for everyone. Very few Christians of every nation will do this and the white Christians who are among them will carry the unique Christ bearing standard of their nation and race into this conflict. Sadly, their kindred will not be with them.

“+50% of” children under the age of @ 8-9 years of age are non-White

Amen! Our enemies have raised the Black Flag, shouting No Quarter! White people will receive no quarter.

Right Now, in the Forced Union, children under the age of @ 8-9 years of age are non-White, do the progression. Next year 10, then 11, 12, 13, etc. This does not take into account, 30 – 50 million more non-White Invaders (in a very short time) with Obama’s Shamnesty. We can survive 400 years of slavery, but we can not survive Genocide. We face the end, unless the Living God intercedes for us.

Solo Christus,
Sic Semper Tyrannis

We could debate this till the cows come home, but I just have a few observations to leave with you, even while I don’t dispute at all the history you’ve just given. First of all, that was then, this is now. The various caucasian tribes have intermarried to such a degree that we’re pretty much all one tribe now. I realize there are still pockets of pure nordics, celts, anglos, franks, russians, balts here and there; but in my own family I have them all represented, except the eastern and scandinavian tribes. Ooops, scratch that, my son just married a scandinavian girl and I plumb forgot! I am primarily french, german, english, irish & welsh, and I’m sure you’ll agree, most whites are mutts like me.

Another thing I’ve noticed about caucasians today is that we are much less inclined to argue over religion then we were in past centuries. I guess those two factors together is why I’m putting my money on blood ties as the one factor which will ultimately supercede everything and unite are various peoples in a fight for survival. The more white people are marginalized, enslaved, preyed upon, robbed and raped by other races, the more we will seek solace among those who look like us, and think like us, religion be damned. This is not to say the faith isn’t everything to me; it is, and our people need it far more then they now know, but in the short term, I just don’t see our people uniting under one expression of Christ’s church. I wish I did; but I don’t.

“What we do have in common, right here, right now is our blood. Let us hope that is enough to unite us.”

For the barbarians, I think the blood tie would be enough.

As a Home Schooling Grandmother, I have to advise home schooling parents on a lot of subjects. I do not see anywhere in the history of Europe where the causasians ever united (even in the most dire of straits) on the basis of race. In the east – the wars of the Russias with Khazaria, they were united on the basis of Christian Orthodoxy under the Byzantine and Russian autocracy. In the West, the Europeans united on the basis of De Fide of the Apostolic See of the West (Rome) and the Successor of Peter who anointed Charlemagne as Holy Western Emperor to fight the Reconquista: East and West. Apart from the faith, in history what I see is a race of very warlike nations. My own outfit (the Celts) probably squared off with everyone.

I also see conflicts where those who were united on the basis of true faith (though their numbers be few) won against odds that in the natural order would be impossible to win against. I think the history of Europe bears out this scenario rather than the caucasion racial unity scenario.

In the early 1800s guess which American city was home to the largest number of Jews in the entire USA? Charleston, South Carolina…which was also a MAJOR slave port, the biggest one in the USA. Once the slave trade was abolished a large number of Jews in Charleston immigrated to other cities.

Also, in Newport, Rhode Island there was also a large Jewish population…it was also the American city that is home to the oldest synagogue building still standing in the United States, the oldest surviving Jewish synagogue building in North America and the only surviving synagogue building in the U.S. dating to the colonial era. Well, Newport also happened to be another major slaving port in the Northeast – the Jew Aaron Lopez was a major slave trader and own around 30 ships by himself.

Jews were also found in rather large numbers in New Orleans, which was of course another major slaving port-city.

If you also look at the history of slavery in the Caribbean and South America you will again find major Jewish involvement there. They set up huge sugar plantations there and brought in untold numbers of slaves from Africa to work them. Some of the oldest synagogues in the entire ‘New World’ were founded on some Caribbean islands and along the South American coast, thus suggesting the Jewish business elite there who imported all of the African slaves to do nearly all of their work for them and make them filthy rich as well.

Jews have their hands all over the trans-Atlantic African slave trade – to deny this is to deny the historical facts.

Admin, then I respectfully suggest reading some of the Patristic Fathers and learning why this IS still a heresy. Rome can say any damn thing she likes, as the ‘Largest of the [sic] Christian communions’ all she needs to do is wield numerical power. But remember, Orthodoxy is a very close second, and her faith has not been Vatican I or II’ized, so- from a purely temporal POV, she has not had to ‘update the faith.’

(and, as we all know, the essence of heresy is to seek to ‘upate the faith’ to ‘make it meaningful’… lol

I have said it before, but I will say it again. Photius Farrel’s [PhD, Oxon] ‘God, History, and Dialectic’ is THE book to read to learn why the West is NOT the ‘real’ Europe, and why the filioque is the reason for Darwin, Nietzsche, Camus and Satrte.

you want to get out of the mire of heresy? then stop working with the secondary and tertiary forms of it- deconstructionism, post-modernism, sexism, homosexism, feminist, LGBT studies, et al.

Filioquism put MAN in the place of the Holy Spirit, as the MEANS and Mediator of the ‘grace of God’- THAT is the reason it is so heinous an error- by substituting Man (in the place of the Pope, the Church as Institution, or Man qua man- even the modern equivalent- Negro Man as ‘savior’) it was the most subtle of errors, breaking the First and Second commandment, and via it, breaking all the rest.

That is the heritage of Filioquism. And most are too ignorant of it to even understand its basic premises…

Just wondering about the “fayre” thing. Seems like a bit of an affectation. We’re not in the 16th century, so fair or even faire would suffice- everyone will know what you’re talking about.

That aside, I think there are a couple of different issues here. For starters, I reject absolutely the idea that I or any unbeliever bears the burden of disproving the truth-claims of Christianity. Christians bear the burden of proof here, as they are the ones advancing a “novel” (it was once) and extraordinary story about Jew-gods, miracles etc. that they want everyone else to accept, with the additional claim that our very immortal souls are in danger of hellfire if we do not. Because the Bible says so. Or the Bible and Tradition. In essence, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, no exceptions. Now, I can and have offered some reasons why I don’t believe in religious hokum, but am I obliged to? A thousand times, no.

As for various theories -such as the pre-carnalized Therapeut/Gnostic’s mythical, pagan Christ later co-opted and historicized by the Church- which try to account for Christianity’s origins apart from the usual Christian claims (though whose should be believe, the Catholics’, Eastern Orth., Baptists’, Presbys’?), these obviously do stand in need of some explication and it’s quite right for anyone, Christian or not, to ask for it, which is why I tried pointing the curious in the right direction with the aforementioned resources, which do a far better job of succinctly developing this line of inquiry than I could. Therefore, I urge anyone who thinks something smells a little fishy (no pun intended) to consult them, though there are others worth reading, too. Mangasarian’s, “The Truth About Jesus” and Massey’s “The Historical Jesus and Mythical Christ” come to mind.

I hear what you are saying dear lady, but we don’t hold the holy faith in common without serious differences of opinion. What we do have in common, right here, right now, is our blood. Let us all hope that is enough to unite us.

A cessation of fratricidal wars among Whites is definitely step 1; as well as refusal to fight as proxies for the Judaic Imperium and Greater Israel. The penalty for this refusal is that our overlords will use covert science and social engineering to unleash chaos in the natural and social realms.

Faced with this type of thing, people tend to fragment and stampede into every man for himself. Apostate Christianity has been carefully set up and equiped to address this chaos, to unite and instrumentalize the beleaguered Christians and assist with the delivery of the New World Order.

Evangelical, Nondenominational Christian Zionists will square off against the Judeo Christians of the ecumenical WCC (led by the Orthodox) or the ecumenical novus ordo, post concilar, Noachide sect (calling itself the Roman Catholic Church). After looking at the photo-ops of Benedict’s big kissy-kissy with Patriarch Bartholomew, I expect that in the confusion and treachery of the times, the latter two orgs will engineer an ecumenical (all faiths and nations) type of pantheism – the one world ecumenical church needed by the NWO.

In opposition to this, the Roman Catholic Church, through Her bishops who are una cum Pope Gregory XVII (1958-1989)and his Successors state that the cause of the hour is Omnia Instaurare in Christo. To Restore All Things in Christ.

Nations and races are certainly a part of this restoration. For nations (as distinct ethne) are treasures of the Church but they are not ends in themselves. The nations of Europe which once comprised the Christendom are the only nations which once (by conversion and Grace) held the holy faith as a single race. Among the races of mankind, we were once the Christopher, that unique Christ bearing race. Maybe it is God’s will in the restoration that as a race, we reclaim the dignity of the Christopher.

But other nations have also held the faith even though they were minorities among their own races. This may well be the time when other nations unify at the level of their own race to come forward as the Christopher. I do not rule this out. Indeed, looking at the twentieth century – the bloodbaths among the Christians in South and Central America and IndoChina through the Communist Revolutions, I would fear to rule this it out.

I do not think that the struggle here being squarely faced in “our people are perishing” – can be won at the level of nation or race.

It can, however, be won at the level of the Church. Against the novus ordo, this is what the bishops have said:

Now (our time) is the hour “of the power darkness.” Anti-christ “has been given strength over the continual sacrifice and truth cast down to the ground.” Dan 8:12

“This is the time of the power of darkness, but we must challenge that darkness…In our times to be a true Catholic, three things are required:

devotion to the Holy Eucharist” (now all but extinguished over entire continents)

“devotion to Our Lady” (whose Immaculate Heart will triumph over this time – to the glory of Christ the King. This is the promise to the Woman who will crush the Serpent’s head)

“devotion to the Holy Father” (the Petrine Office as The Rock – now in exile from Rome and underground as in the first 300 years of the Church)

“Jesus will restore his Church, but we must fight – fight with courage!”

Fr Peter Khoat van Tran. The Easter Sermon (for the missionary province of North America) April 2007.

The Church can only be built from the top down. The foundation stones of Apostles and Prophets aligned to Christ the Chief cornerstone with the Rock upon Him were laid on the earth, but they are empowered in Heaven so that peoples, nations, races could be built up on them – each in his own order. The white nations of Europe conformed to that structure at the order of race. Even so, this can not be just a people’s movement or sovereignty attempting to unify and organize from the bottom up. The organization is given from Heaven.

I know it is very difficult for those who see the dire straights of the white race (as a race) to think in other terms. But I would submit to you for your prayerful reflection that Omnia Instaurare in Christo is the cause and it is both the higher and the inclusive term. This is definitely a matter of seeking first the Kingdom and all other things being added to us.