Comments on: The North is Full of Tangled Things http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/ 1 John 5:7 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:58:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: I Was Born for a Storm, and a Calm Does Not Suit Me | Spirit/Water/Blood http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13755 I Was Born for a Storm, and a Calm Does Not Suit Me | Spirit/Water/Blood Tue, 07 Apr 2009 02:35:38 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13755 [...] think anyone actually disputed the fact that skin comes in different colors. Of course, as Scarborough Fayre observes in our comments, the idea that there is only one race renders the concept of adultery [...] [...] think anyone actually disputed the fact that skin comes in different colors. Of course, as Scarborough Fayre observes in our comments, the idea that there is only one race renders the concept of adultery [...]

]]> By: admin http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13754 admin Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:18:38 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13754 Tim, Jew Auster comments on the same thing here: http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012915.html And he writes this line, which makes the pursuit of truth so gosh-darned easy: "It becomes clear that the main purpose of Holocaust denial was to make people hate Jews and see them as uniquely evil." Tim, Jew Auster comments on the same thing here:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/012915.html

And he writes this line, which makes the pursuit of truth so gosh-darned easy:

“It becomes clear that the main purpose of Holocaust denial was to make people hate Jews and see them as uniquely evil.”

]]> By: Scarborough Fayre http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13752 Scarborough Fayre Sun, 05 Apr 2009 18:56:41 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13752 Thanks admin. I could stew on just one post from Spirit, Water, Blood for months. Thanks admin. I could stew on just one post from Spirit, Water, Blood for months.

]]> By: admin http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13751 admin Sun, 05 Apr 2009 17:02:14 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13751 Tim, that's very interesting! I didn't realize that Weber was with Leuchter and Faurisson when they collected samples from Auschwitz. The mental image of them chipping away at the rock walls and hoping not to be seen, even as they make history, is quite an image indeed. It sounds like Weber takes the view of Irving that there were gas chambers, but they were not used for planned extermination of anything but nits, and we cannot be certain of the casualties caused by either natural or war-contingent circumstances, or other atrocities. Is this your understanding as well? It seems that Weber is trying to be an historian who doesn't like to talk about his beliefs so that he can be recognized as an objective authority. I know why other historians do this - to get on TV - but it's a strange tactic for a revisionist, because he's going to be hated regardless. SF, you've written some fascinating stuff there, and I need to stew on it for a while to let it all sink in! Tim, that’s very interesting! I didn’t realize that Weber was with Leuchter and Faurisson when they collected samples from Auschwitz. The mental image of them chipping away at the rock walls and hoping not to be seen, even as they make history, is quite an image indeed. It sounds like Weber takes the view of Irving that there were gas chambers, but they were not used for planned extermination of anything but nits, and we cannot be certain of the casualties caused by either natural or war-contingent circumstances, or other atrocities. Is this your understanding as well? It seems that Weber is trying to be an historian who doesn’t like to talk about his beliefs so that he can be recognized as an objective authority. I know why other historians do this – to get on TV – but it’s a strange tactic for a revisionist, because he’s going to be hated regardless.

SF, you’ve written some fascinating stuff there, and I need to stew on it for a while to let it all sink in!

]]> By: Scarborough Fayre http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13749 Scarborough Fayre Sun, 05 Apr 2009 05:30:53 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13749 Another comment on the idea that there is only one race, Adam's race. I agree that the Bible teaches that all people are descended from Adam. Thus speaking of Adam's race is proper in its proper context. However there are certainly races based upon differential descent from Adam. All linguists understand this, which is why Samuel Johnson and Noah Webster, two great lexograpers of the English language, both understood race this way. If there is only one race why does the Bible mention mixing of various peoples in Jeremiah and Ezekiel? One kinist arguement is that adultery does not just mean marital infidelity, but other unnatural mixings. This is how it is used in Hosea, the prophet against adultery. In Hosea, the concept of adultery is used of actual marital infidelity, national religious adultery (Israel going whoring after other gods), but also of mixing of peoples (see Hosea 7: 8-9). The concept of unnatural mixing is of plants as found in Leviticus 19:19 is also used with people in Daniel 2:43 and elsewhere. Again, why talk about mixing if we're all from the same race to begin with? Sometimes I think that modern Christians pride themselves on their inability to think. Another comment on the idea that there is only one race, Adam’s race. I agree that the Bible teaches that all people are descended from Adam. Thus speaking of Adam’s race is proper in its proper context. However there are certainly races based upon differential descent from Adam. All linguists understand this, which is why Samuel Johnson and Noah Webster, two great lexograpers of the English language, both understood race this way. If there is only one race why does the Bible mention mixing of various peoples in Jeremiah and Ezekiel? One kinist arguement is that adultery does not just mean marital infidelity, but other unnatural mixings. This is how it is used in Hosea, the prophet against adultery. In Hosea, the concept of adultery is used of actual marital infidelity, national religious adultery (Israel going whoring after other gods), but also of mixing of peoples (see Hosea 7: 8-9). The concept of unnatural mixing is of plants as found in Leviticus 19:19 is also used with people in Daniel 2:43 and elsewhere. Again, why talk about mixing if we’re all from the same race to begin with? Sometimes I think that modern Christians pride themselves on their inability to think.

]]> By: Scarborough Fayre http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13748 Scarborough Fayre Sun, 05 Apr 2009 05:00:34 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13748 I was a biology major in my college days and I've neve understood the miscengenist pseudo-christian idea that interracial marriage confounds Darwinism. One of Darwin's prerequisits for natural selection to occur is "random mating". Since virtually everyone does not mate randomly (even those who chose mates poorly still don't do it randomly), then promoting interracial marriage actually increases the "randomness" of mating. In other words because most people still marry and mate within their own race ecouraging interracial marriage would actually help breeding turn into a more "random mating" pattern and genetic variation requisite for Darwinian natural selection to take place. So if the Doug Phillips' of the world want to "confound evolution" then he should do everything within his power to oppose intermarriage. Not that this matters anyway, no one should breed simply for the reason of confounding an opposing worldview. This just goes to show that Doug Phillips doesn't understand Darwinism at all. I was a biology major in my college days and I’ve neve understood the miscengenist pseudo-christian idea that interracial marriage confounds Darwinism. One of Darwin’s prerequisits for natural selection to occur is “random mating”. Since virtually everyone does not mate randomly (even those who chose mates poorly still don’t do it randomly), then promoting interracial marriage actually increases the “randomness” of mating. In other words because most people still marry and mate within their own race ecouraging interracial marriage would actually help breeding turn into a more “random mating” pattern and genetic variation requisite for Darwinian natural selection to take place. So if the Doug Phillips’ of the world want to “confound evolution” then he should do everything within his power to oppose intermarriage. Not that this matters anyway, no one should breed simply for the reason of confounding an opposing worldview. This just goes to show that Doug Phillips doesn’t understand Darwinism at all.

]]> By: Tim Harris http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13747 Tim Harris Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:32:00 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13747 I don't know the best way to keep older discussions alive, but this is in regard to your <a href="http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/01/made-up-my-mind-to-make-a-new-start/" rel="nofollow">Jan 18</a> post. There was a Mark Weber quote there that I found quite disturbing, and so it was gratifying to see that Faurisson has pounced on it and ripped it to shreds. See about 80% down in <a href="http://www.codoh.com/newsite/sr/" rel="nofollow">this article</a>, though the whole is also worth a read. I don’t know the best way to keep older discussions alive, but this is in regard to your Jan 18 post. There was a Mark Weber quote there that I found quite disturbing, and so it was gratifying to see that Faurisson has pounced on it and ripped it to shreds. See about 80% down in this article, though the whole is also worth a read.

]]> By: admin http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13746 admin Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:52:13 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13746 I think you meant to say Phillips instead of Wilson. It's interesting that Phillips implies that one's view of racial intermarriage is informed by one's view of the creation timespan. But there really is no dividing line on race between creationists of today. They're almost all race-mixers. Obviously, it was just the opposite in the past. Phillips would simply say that old-universe creationists are really Darwinists in disguise, and they're not being true to their Darwinist principles if they still encourage intermarriage. He would say that only someone who shares his interpretation of Genesis is able to consistently recognize that there is only one race, the human race. One interesting thing to note about this is that Darwin was not really a eugenicist. Eugenics was formed by Francis Galton. Darwin said that pure natural selection would prevent aid and sympathy, "the noblest part of our nature." He considered Galton's idea of encouraging intermarriage within a "caste" of the "naturally gifted" to be utopian. After Hitler, eugenics fell out of favor, even though some form of it had always been practiced among Christians (Rushdoony tells us this was true of the Armenians), and all of a sudden the Darwinists became neo-Darwinists, distancing themselves from ideas that had come to be associated with Darwin. And it still serves them well, because Darwin had very primitive (and false) ideas about cell structure. Modern scientists would be ridiculed to scorn if they were truly Darwinists in the purest sense. So Phillips is able to thrill the ladies who make a fantasy of his phony public image, and their hapless husbands who think they need to compensate for their own inadequacies, but the straw man arguments won't impress anyone else. Regarding the pictures, Phillips has taken so much ribbing over the years about his unavoidably White worldview and his glorification of the White race, and even adulation of White firebrands like Dabney, that he goes out of his way now to prove to the world that a few non-Whites show up for his conferences. He doesn't realize that doing this makes him look even more like a tool, but at least it has entertainment value. Of course, he realizes that there is a tipping point beyond which Whites will refuse to show up or keep his business running. I just hate to see what these politically-correct jackals routinely do to men like Holzmann. I think you meant to say Phillips instead of Wilson. It’s interesting that Phillips implies that one’s view of racial intermarriage is informed by one’s view of the creation timespan. But there really is no dividing line on race between creationists of today. They’re almost all race-mixers. Obviously, it was just the opposite in the past. Phillips would simply say that old-universe creationists are really Darwinists in disguise, and they’re not being true to their Darwinist principles if they still encourage intermarriage. He would say that only someone who shares his interpretation of Genesis is able to consistently recognize that there is only one race, the human race.

One interesting thing to note about this is that Darwin was not really a eugenicist. Eugenics was formed by Francis Galton. Darwin said that pure natural selection would prevent aid and sympathy, “the noblest part of our nature.” He considered Galton’s idea of encouraging intermarriage within a “caste” of the “naturally gifted” to be utopian. After Hitler, eugenics fell out of favor, even though some form of it had always been practiced among Christians (Rushdoony tells us this was true of the Armenians), and all of a sudden the Darwinists became neo-Darwinists, distancing themselves from ideas that had come to be associated with Darwin. And it still serves them well, because Darwin had very primitive (and false) ideas about cell structure. Modern scientists would be ridiculed to scorn if they were truly Darwinists in the purest sense.

So Phillips is able to thrill the ladies who make a fantasy of his phony public image, and their hapless husbands who think they need to compensate for their own inadequacies, but the straw man arguments won’t impress anyone else.

Regarding the pictures, Phillips has taken so much ribbing over the years about his unavoidably White worldview and his glorification of the White race, and even adulation of White firebrands like Dabney, that he goes out of his way now to prove to the world that a few non-Whites show up for his conferences. He doesn’t realize that doing this makes him look even more like a tool, but at least it has entertainment value. Of course, he realizes that there is a tipping point beyond which Whites will refuse to show up or keep his business running.

I just hate to see what these politically-correct jackals routinely do to men like Holzmann.

]]> By: Fr. John http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13745 Fr. John Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:46:00 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13745 In relation to your comment above "The comfort of having a truth filter is hardly unique to Christians, but at some point the warning flags should fly when men are forming businesses based on opinions that they insist are normative for all, without exception, but which have found vast disagreement among our Christian forefathers in all ages. (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how race and miscegenation apply to this discussion.)" I just came across this piece of IDIOCY over at Dougie's site. http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2009/04/5034.aspx In perusing websites for the upcoming Homeschool conventions, I am appalled at the obvious miscegenationist mindset of Holzmann's Sonlight (with pics of bi-racial couples and their bastard children throughout their catalogue...as if this were good!?) and Wilson's 'forked tongue' approach to history over at 'Vision Forum'- show all white kids on the site, and then preach this twaddle. HAS the Evangelical community gone mad? Do they WANT genocide of the Races of Europe? It would damn well appear so. May God have mercy on us all... if this is 'leadership' of the race of "Adam's seed and David's line." In relation to your comment above “The comfort of having a truth filter is hardly unique to Christians, but at some point the warning flags should fly when men are forming businesses based on opinions that they insist are normative for all, without exception, but which have found vast disagreement among our Christian forefathers in all ages. (It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see how race and miscegenation apply to this discussion.)”

I just came across this piece of IDIOCY over at Dougie’s site.
http://www.visionforum.com/hottopics/blogs/dwp/2009/04/5034.aspx

In perusing websites for the upcoming Homeschool conventions, I am appalled at the obvious miscegenationist mindset of Holzmann’s Sonlight (with pics of bi-racial couples and their bastard children throughout their catalogue…as if this were good!?) and Wilson’s ‘forked tongue’ approach to history over at ‘Vision Forum’- show all white kids on the site, and then preach this twaddle.

HAS the Evangelical community gone mad? Do they WANT genocide of the Races of Europe? It would damn well appear so. May God have mercy on us all… if this is ‘leadership’ of the race of “Adam’s seed and David’s line.”

]]> By: Fr. John http://spiritwaterblood.com/2009/03/the-north-is-full-of-tangled-things/#comment-13743 Fr. John Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:19:44 +0000 http://spiritwaterblood.com/?p=3121#comment-13743 "Therefore, in a CDD marriage, the husband is the authority of the household. The wife is submissive to her husband as if the Lord Himself was her husband. The husband loves his wife as himself. He is to lead by example. He is to lay down his life for her. The wife treats her husband with respect. She is to obey him, as long as what he directs her to do is not in opposition to God's commands. He has the ultimate authority in his household, but this authority is tempered with the knowledge that he will answer to God for his actions and decisions. He is to be the head of the home. She is to be the heart of the home." DId Sarah call Abraham, LORD, or did she not? If she did, then how can we in the New Covenant permit secular courts to co-opt the rule of the Husband over the Wife, and Children, via 'domestic abuse hotlines, police interference, custody battles, and all the rest? If a Christian Civilization is to be a CHRISTIAN civilization, and if we allow the Hassidic Jews to rule the roost, 'how much MORE' to quote St. Paul, should we seek to re-institute this Vision? Just asking the question, to be clear.... “Therefore, in a CDD marriage, the husband is the authority of the household.
The wife is submissive to her husband as if the Lord Himself was her husband.

The husband loves his wife as himself. He is to lead by example. He is to lay down his life for her.
The wife treats her husband with respect. She is to obey him, as long as what he directs her to do is not in opposition to God’s commands.

He has the ultimate authority in his household, but this authority is tempered with the knowledge that he will answer to God for his actions and decisions.

He is to be the head of the home. She is to be the heart of the home.”

DId Sarah call Abraham, LORD, or did she not?
If she did, then how can we in the New Covenant permit secular courts to co-opt the rule of the Husband over the Wife, and Children, via ‘domestic abuse hotlines, police interference, custody battles, and all the rest?

If a Christian Civilization is to be a CHRISTIAN civilization, and if we allow the Hassidic Jews to rule the roost, ‘how much MORE’ to quote St. Paul, should we seek to re-institute this Vision?

Just asking the question, to be clear….

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