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		<title>By: DW Roberts</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13367</link>
		<dc:creator>DW Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My quick posting may be hard to analyze...I&#039;m agreeing with you.  White and non-white are mutually exclusive.  American and non-American...Christian and non-Christian are, as well.  But being in the &quot;White&quot; circle does not automatically put you in the Christian or American circle (though it makes the former more likely than if you started in the &quot;non-White&quot; circle).  If the requirements for being in the &quot;American&quot; circle are merely legal and pragmatic (unfortunately the current popular opinion), White vs. non-White has no bearing.  If, however, the definition of &quot;American&quot; is philosophical, then once again, &quot;White&quot; has a greater affinity for that group than &quot;non-White.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My quick posting may be hard to analyze&#8230;I&#8217;m agreeing with you.  White and non-white are mutually exclusive.  American and non-American&#8230;Christian and non-Christian are, as well.  But being in the &#8220;White&#8221; circle does not automatically put you in the Christian or American circle (though it makes the former more likely than if you started in the &#8220;non-White&#8221; circle).  If the requirements for being in the &#8220;American&#8221; circle are merely legal and pragmatic (unfortunately the current popular opinion), White vs. non-White has no bearing.  If, however, the definition of &#8220;American&#8221; is philosophical, then once again, &#8220;White&#8221; has a greater affinity for that group than &#8220;non-White.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13364</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That has certainly been made true by time and genocidal circumstances, but it doesn&#039;t change the fact that we have a higher duty to our fellow Whites, who descended in common lineage from our fathers, who created this country for their own posterity, and no one else. When the country completes the transformation it is now undergoing, there will be nothing recognizably &quot;Christian&quot; or &quot;American&quot; or &quot;White&quot; about it, and then you will hear people say that &quot;Santerian&quot; and &quot;World-State&quot; and &quot;Mocha&quot; are merely circles on a Venn Diagram. But enough about Brazil - I thought we were talking about America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That has certainly been made true by time and genocidal circumstances, but it doesn&#8217;t change the fact that we have a higher duty to our fellow Whites, who descended in common lineage from our fathers, who created this country for their own posterity, and no one else. When the country completes the transformation it is now undergoing, there will be nothing recognizably &#8220;Christian&#8221; or &#8220;American&#8221; or &#8220;White&#8221; about it, and then you will hear people say that &#8220;Santerian&#8221; and &#8220;World-State&#8221; and &#8220;Mocha&#8221; are merely circles on a Venn Diagram. But enough about Brazil &#8211; I thought we were talking about America.</p>
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		<title>By: DW Roberts</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13363</link>
		<dc:creator>DW Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Christian&quot; and &quot;American&quot; and &quot;White&quot; are merely circles on a Venn Diagram that overlap w/o being equivalent.  I reject the hypothesis that being in a circle labeled &quot;non-White,&quot; is unrelated to the ability to be included in either of the other two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Christian&#8221; and &#8220;American&#8221; and &#8220;White&#8221; are merely circles on a Venn Diagram that overlap w/o being equivalent.  I reject the hypothesis that being in a circle labeled &#8220;non-White,&#8221; is unrelated to the ability to be included in either of the other two.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. John</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13361</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 14:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not to change the topic, but here is a site I think many of your readers might appreciate.

http://www.survivalblog.com/

I know I learned quite a bit from a hasty half hour skimming through the various pages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not to change the topic, but here is a site I think many of your readers might appreciate.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.survivalblog.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.survivalblog.com/</a></p>
<p>I know I learned quite a bit from a hasty half hour skimming through the various pages.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; SFAWBN Archive &#187; The Singing Revolution Film</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13360</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; SFAWBN Archive &#187; The Singing Revolution Film</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] youtube - 11/30/08 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Winston Smith</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13359</link>
		<dc:creator>Winston Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My soul! This posting and the ensuing comments remind me of old times in a certain &quot;little&quot; Swiss-named internet place that will not be forgotten!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My soul! This posting and the ensuing comments remind me of old times in a certain &#8220;little&#8221; Swiss-named internet place that will not be forgotten!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13355</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, a comment from John Lofton himself. We&#039;re very honored, and also fans of yours, sir, going back decades to those wonderful &quot;easy chair&quot; recordings you made with Rushdoony and Scott.

We agree with you that America was founded as a Christian nation and should still be formally designated as a Christian nation. We also agree with you that, if anything, our founding fathers did not go far enough in making this explicit, although Thornwell tried to fix that problem with an amendment to the Confederate Constitution. We also agree that we should not be surprised when covenantal disobedience brings punishment.

The only part of your show that we considered rubbish is the idea that Christians are Americans but other members of our tribe are not. We are bound by blood to the descendants of the White men whose great deeds you have listed in your comment above. We have the same obligation to them as the Apostle Paul had to his &quot;kinsmen according to the flesh&quot; - Romans 9:3. And while we are certainly bound in a covenant of faith to fellow Christians, we are called worse than infidels if we neglect the duties to our own by blood. Therefore, it is simply false that only Christians are true Americans, just as it is not true that only Christians are true Lithuanians. 

We also agree 100% with Tim Harris that Lincoln&#039;s so-called &quot;racism&quot; was the only good thing about him. Would that we all could be as &quot;racist&quot; as Abraham Lincoln. In his quote above, he sought to endear himself to the audience by moving close to Douglas on the issue, and the ideas he expressed, especially on miscegenation, found nearly unanimous agreement in both the North and the South, because both sections were still almost entirely Christian in those days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, a comment from John Lofton himself. We&#8217;re very honored, and also fans of yours, sir, going back decades to those wonderful &#8220;easy chair&#8221; recordings you made with Rushdoony and Scott.</p>
<p>We agree with you that America was founded as a Christian nation and should still be formally designated as a Christian nation. We also agree with you that, if anything, our founding fathers did not go far enough in making this explicit, although Thornwell tried to fix that problem with an amendment to the Confederate Constitution. We also agree that we should not be surprised when covenantal disobedience brings punishment.</p>
<p>The only part of your show that we considered rubbish is the idea that Christians are Americans but other members of our tribe are not. We are bound by blood to the descendants of the White men whose great deeds you have listed in your comment above. We have the same obligation to them as the Apostle Paul had to his &#8220;kinsmen according to the flesh&#8221; &#8211; Romans 9:3. And while we are certainly bound in a covenant of faith to fellow Christians, we are called worse than infidels if we neglect the duties to our own by blood. Therefore, it is simply false that only Christians are true Americans, just as it is not true that only Christians are true Lithuanians. </p>
<p>We also agree 100% with Tim Harris that Lincoln&#8217;s so-called &#8220;racism&#8221; was the only good thing about him. Would that we all could be as &#8220;racist&#8221; as Abraham Lincoln. In his quote above, he sought to endear himself to the audience by moving close to Douglas on the issue, and the ideas he expressed, especially on miscegenation, found nearly unanimous agreement in both the North and the South, because both sections were still almost entirely Christian in those days.</p>
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		<title>By: John Lofton, Recovering Republican</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13351</link>
		<dc:creator>John Lofton, Recovering Republican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 19:00:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your &quot;rubbish&quot; remark is not a very compelling refutation of the fact that America WAS founded as a Christian nation. We are, of course, no longer a Christian nation having turned our backs on God generations ago which is why, among other things: Airplanes are flying into buildings; large portions of our Gulf Coast were destroyed by Katrina; half of California has burned down; and our economy is collapsing. Sheer coincidence, right? I think not. Read (and believe) the Bible.

	The realization that our country was indeed founded as a Christian nation must begin with the understanding that our founding began 150 or so years before the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.  And a superb, well-documented argument for our Christian origins is a little book I have only recently acquired by a former Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, David J. Brewer, titled “the United States As A Christian Nation” (John C. Winston Co.,, 1905).  As Brewer notes:

	The first colonial grant, made to Sir Walter Raleigh in 1584 authorized him to enact statutes for the government of the proposed colony provided that “they not be against the true Christian faith now professed by in the Church of England.”  The first charter of Virginia, granted by King James I in 1606, commenced this grant invoked “the providence of Almighty God…in propagating the Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God.”  The Mayflower Compact of 1620 says that they the Pilgrims did what they did “for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith.”  And the charter of New England, granted by James I in 1620, expressed the “hope thereby to advance the enlargement of Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty.”

	The Massachusetts Bay charter, granted in 1629 by Charles I, vows to “win and incite the natives of the country to their knowledge and obedience of the only true God and Savior of mankind, the Christian faith…[which] is the principle end of this plantation.”  This declaration was substantially repeated in the 1991 Massachusetts Bay charter granted by William and Mary.  The fundamental orders of Connecticut, under a provisional government instituted in 1638, stated that its purpose was “to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess, also the discipline of the churches, which, according to the truth of the said gospel, is now practiced amongst us.”  And the preamble of the Constitution of 1776 specifically says that among the things due to ever man in his place and proportion are “civility and Christianity.”

	In 1638 the first Rhode Island settlers organized a local government and agreed to “submit our persons, lives and estates to our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and to all those perfect and most absolute laws of his holy word of truth, to be guided and judged thereby.  Exod. 24:3,4; II Chron. 11:3; II Kings 11:17.”  The 1663 Rhode Island charter speaks of its petitioners as “godly edifying themselves and one another in the holy Christian faith and worship as they were persuaded.”  The charter of Carolina granted this same year by Charles II says its petitioners are “excited with a laudable and pious zeal for the propagation of the Christian faith.”  In the preface of the frame of government prepared by William Penn in 1682 “the Lord from heaven” is mentioned as the “highest attainment” at which men on earth may arrive.  And the laws prepared to go with this frame of government called for the keeping of the Sabbath Day as did “the primitive Christians…to worship God according to their understandings.”  

	In the charter of privileges granted in 1701 by Penn to the province of Pennsylvania and its territories (later including Delaware) “Almighty God” is said to be “the only Lord of Conscience, Father of Lights and Spirits, and the author as well as object of all divine knowledge, faith and worship, who doth enlighten the minds and persuade and convince the understandings of the people.”  Vermont’s 1777 Constitution also called for observance of the Sabbath and for “some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God.”  The 1788 Constitution of South Carolina declared that “the Christian Protestant religion shall be deemed and is hereby constituted and declared to be the established religion of this state: and “that the Christian religion is the only true religion; that the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament are of divine inspiration, and are the rule of faith and practice.”

	Within 100 years of the landing at Jamestown Christians established three colleges:  Harvard, William and Mary and Yale.  The first seal used by Harvard read “In Christi Gloriam,” its charter saying that among its purposes was “through the good hand of God” to educate the English and Indian youth “in Knowledge latter observing:  “But it would scarcely be asked of a court, in what professes to be a Christian land, to declare a law unconstitutional because it requires rest from bodily labor on Sunday (except works of mercy and necessity) and thereby promotes the cause of Christianity.”

	Commenting on all of this, Associate Justice Brewer says:  “You will have noticed I have presented no doubtful facts.  Nothing has been stated which is debatable.  The quotations from charters are in the archives of the several States; the laws are on the statute books; judicial opinions are taken from the official reports; statistics from the census publications…I have said enough to show that Christianity came to this country with the first colonists; has been powerfully identified with its rapid development, colonial and national, and today (as of 1905 – J.L.) exists as a mighty factor in the life of the republic.  This is a Christian nation, and we can all rejoice as truthfully we repeat the words of Leonard Bacon:

	O God, beneath Thy guiding hand
	Our exiled fathers crossed the sea,
	And when they trod the wintry strand,
	With prayer and psalm they worshiped Thee.
	Thou heardst, well pleased, the song, the prayer –
	Thy blessing came; and still has power
	Shall onward through all ages bear
	The memory of that holy hour
	Laws, freedom, truth, and faith in God
	Came with those exiles o’er the waves,
	And where their pilgrim feet have trod,
	The God they trusted guards their graves.
	And here Thy name, O God of love,
	Their children’s children shall adore,
	Till these eternal hills remove,
	And spring adorns the earth no more.

John Lofton / JLof@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your &#8220;rubbish&#8221; remark is not a very compelling refutation of the fact that America WAS founded as a Christian nation. We are, of course, no longer a Christian nation having turned our backs on God generations ago which is why, among other things: Airplanes are flying into buildings; large portions of our Gulf Coast were destroyed by Katrina; half of California has burned down; and our economy is collapsing. Sheer coincidence, right? I think not. Read (and believe) the Bible.</p>
<p>	The realization that our country was indeed founded as a Christian nation must begin with the understanding that our founding began 150 or so years before the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution.  And a superb, well-documented argument for our Christian origins is a little book I have only recently acquired by a former Associate Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, David J. Brewer, titled “the United States As A Christian Nation” (John C. Winston Co.,, 1905).  As Brewer notes:</p>
<p>	The first colonial grant, made to Sir Walter Raleigh in 1584 authorized him to enact statutes for the government of the proposed colony provided that “they not be against the true Christian faith now professed by in the Church of England.”  The first charter of Virginia, granted by King James I in 1606, commenced this grant invoked “the providence of Almighty God…in propagating the Christian religion to such people as yet live in darkness and miserable ignorance of the true knowledge and worship of God.”  The Mayflower Compact of 1620 says that they the Pilgrims did what they did “for the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian faith.”  And the charter of New England, granted by James I in 1620, expressed the “hope thereby to advance the enlargement of Christian religion, to the glory of God Almighty.”</p>
<p>	The Massachusetts Bay charter, granted in 1629 by Charles I, vows to “win and incite the natives of the country to their knowledge and obedience of the only true God and Savior of mankind, the Christian faith…[which] is the principle end of this plantation.”  This declaration was substantially repeated in the 1991 Massachusetts Bay charter granted by William and Mary.  The fundamental orders of Connecticut, under a provisional government instituted in 1638, stated that its purpose was “to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess, also the discipline of the churches, which, according to the truth of the said gospel, is now practiced amongst us.”  And the preamble of the Constitution of 1776 specifically says that among the things due to ever man in his place and proportion are “civility and Christianity.”</p>
<p>	In 1638 the first Rhode Island settlers organized a local government and agreed to “submit our persons, lives and estates to our Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings and Lord of Lords and to all those perfect and most absolute laws of his holy word of truth, to be guided and judged thereby.  Exod. 24:3,4; II Chron. 11:3; II Kings 11:17.”  The 1663 Rhode Island charter speaks of its petitioners as “godly edifying themselves and one another in the holy Christian faith and worship as they were persuaded.”  The charter of Carolina granted this same year by Charles II says its petitioners are “excited with a laudable and pious zeal for the propagation of the Christian faith.”  In the preface of the frame of government prepared by William Penn in 1682 “the Lord from heaven” is mentioned as the “highest attainment” at which men on earth may arrive.  And the laws prepared to go with this frame of government called for the keeping of the Sabbath Day as did “the primitive Christians…to worship God according to their understandings.”  </p>
<p>	In the charter of privileges granted in 1701 by Penn to the province of Pennsylvania and its territories (later including Delaware) “Almighty God” is said to be “the only Lord of Conscience, Father of Lights and Spirits, and the author as well as object of all divine knowledge, faith and worship, who doth enlighten the minds and persuade and convince the understandings of the people.”  Vermont’s 1777 Constitution also called for observance of the Sabbath and for “some sort of religious worship, which to them shall seem most agreeable to the revealed will of God.”  The 1788 Constitution of South Carolina declared that “the Christian Protestant religion shall be deemed and is hereby constituted and declared to be the established religion of this state: and “that the Christian religion is the only true religion; that the holy scriptures of the Old and New Testament are of divine inspiration, and are the rule of faith and practice.”</p>
<p>	Within 100 years of the landing at Jamestown Christians established three colleges:  Harvard, William and Mary and Yale.  The first seal used by Harvard read “In Christi Gloriam,” its charter saying that among its purposes was “through the good hand of God” to educate the English and Indian youth “in Knowledge latter observing:  “But it would scarcely be asked of a court, in what professes to be a Christian land, to declare a law unconstitutional because it requires rest from bodily labor on Sunday (except works of mercy and necessity) and thereby promotes the cause of Christianity.”</p>
<p>	Commenting on all of this, Associate Justice Brewer says:  “You will have noticed I have presented no doubtful facts.  Nothing has been stated which is debatable.  The quotations from charters are in the archives of the several States; the laws are on the statute books; judicial opinions are taken from the official reports; statistics from the census publications…I have said enough to show that Christianity came to this country with the first colonists; has been powerfully identified with its rapid development, colonial and national, and today (as of 1905 – J.L.) exists as a mighty factor in the life of the republic.  This is a Christian nation, and we can all rejoice as truthfully we repeat the words of Leonard Bacon:</p>
<p>	O God, beneath Thy guiding hand<br />
	Our exiled fathers crossed the sea,<br />
	And when they trod the wintry strand,<br />
	With prayer and psalm they worshiped Thee.<br />
	Thou heardst, well pleased, the song, the prayer –<br />
	Thy blessing came; and still has power<br />
	Shall onward through all ages bear<br />
	The memory of that holy hour<br />
	Laws, freedom, truth, and faith in God<br />
	Came with those exiles o’er the waves,<br />
	And where their pilgrim feet have trod,<br />
	The God they trusted guards their graves.<br />
	And here Thy name, O God of love,<br />
	Their children’s children shall adore,<br />
	Till these eternal hills remove,<br />
	And spring adorns the earth no more.</p>
<p>John Lofton / <a href="mailto:JLof@aol.com">JLof@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DMS</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But those who are able to sing songs of defiance into the barrel of a gun have chosen life.&quot;

What songs do you recommend?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But those who are able to sing songs of defiance into the barrel of a gun have chosen life.&#8221;</p>
<p>What songs do you recommend?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://spiritwaterblood.com/2008/11/a-very-important-announcement/#comment-13342</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Tim. It&#039;s interesting that songs and flags are being outlawed throughout the West, and this trains people to be ashamed of any expression of pride in their people. Speaking the words &quot;I&#039;m proud to be a German&quot; will have the same effect in Germany as waving a White Pride Worldwide flag here, or a Confederate flag. In Britain, they are being told to put away St. George and Welsh flags for fear that invading minorities will be offended. I say to hell with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Tim. It&#8217;s interesting that songs and flags are being outlawed throughout the West, and this trains people to be ashamed of any expression of pride in their people. Speaking the words &#8220;I&#8217;m proud to be a German&#8221; will have the same effect in Germany as waving a White Pride Worldwide flag here, or a Confederate flag. In Britain, they are being told to put away St. George and Welsh flags for fear that invading minorities will be offended. I say to hell with them.</p>
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